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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UN says feminism should be trans inclusive

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MrsSlocombesPussy · 08/12/2020 00:09

twitter.com/UNWomenUK/status/1336073463325454336?s=20

Most of the comments I read are pointing out the obvious.

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yourhairiswinterfire · 08/12/2020 00:11

It is. Of trans men.

PrawnofthePatriarchy · 08/12/2020 00:12

UN shows its contempt for women. I may have commented vigorously along with many others.

MrsSlocombesPussy · 08/12/2020 00:16

Whenever trans inclusiveness is mentioned, it always seems to default to transwomen. I wonder why?

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SuperSleepyBaby · 08/12/2020 00:35

The way they are dressed as well - it doesn’t seem appropriate for the topic- the priority is trying to be beautiful and to appear feminine

ChakaDakotaRegina · 08/12/2020 02:35

Fantastic comments!! Clear and sensible.

JulesJules · 08/12/2020 03:11

Me too Prawn - and the comments appear pretty much unanimous.

Winesalot · 08/12/2020 03:33

Feminism is trans inclusive. It seems clear however unwomen is not female centric. Bergdorf does like to lecture women about being better women though. Pity unwomen haven’t realized they have put the face of modern patriarchy up to tell women how to be feminists. Very empowering.

PurpleHoodie · 08/12/2020 05:43

Pity unwomen haven’t realized they have put the face of modern patriarchy up to tell women how to be feminists. Very empowering

This.

DryHeave · 08/12/2020 06:10

Transplaining.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 08/12/2020 07:20

members of an oppressed group! how very dare you try to campaign exclusively for yourselves! You must campaign for members of the oppressor group at all times! it's totally OK for you to split your focus and will actually help you.

while you're at it please save the whales, keep britain tidy and cure cancer.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 08/12/2020 07:26

Unwomen couldn't be better named.

HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 08/12/2020 07:36

That's an excellent ratio to wake up to.

cordeliavorkosigan · 08/12/2020 07:38

I thought the comments on the twitter thread about blackface being unacceptable, vs somehow this has turned into "you must 'centre' your oppressors especially when they are appropriating your identity" were interesting.
I wish more people would highlight how crazy it is that we cannot debate gender identity and innate gender, but we must not ever imagine wanting to be or identifying as another race. Or even playfully suggesting it. Like, ever.

ArabellaScott · 08/12/2020 07:50

I'm a bit staggered that someone who has made such aggressive and inflammatory and insulting remarks, while never actually achieving anything of note, is chosen by unwomen to speak on our behalf.

How patronising. But I do promote widely sharing Munroe's words

Remember we must not wear pussy hats on a woman's march in case we upset women with penises.

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 07:59

Unwomen - tone deaf and missing the obvious. Who is making these calls - do we know?

Imnobody4 · 08/12/2020 08:02

Haven't actually listened to them but think this is possibly appropriate.

UN says feminism should be trans inclusive
HecatesCatsInXmasHats · 08/12/2020 08:02

A really low bar has been set for this person's behaviour, seemingly because they're doing 'woman' so well (e.g. looking great on camera, which as we know is a key attribute for any woman). Doesn't seem to matter what they've said in the past, they're repeatedly held up as a role model.

DinoGloria · 08/12/2020 08:20

I say no.

SophocIestheFox · 08/12/2020 08:21

A friend of a friend on Facebook recently told me that I should look up Monroe’s oeuvre to help me understand why I was so wrong about...well, everything. I consider it a great triumph of my restraint and maturity that I just ignored the recommendation Grin

How do you “centre all voices”? I mean, literally how does that work? What would that look like? Meaningless pablum. Monroe is a great advert for vacuous choosy-choice feminism-lite.

GCAcademic · 08/12/2020 08:26

"Centre all voices" is to feminism what "All Lives Matter" is to anti-racism.

chipperfish · 08/12/2020 08:26

OK,
Scrolling through the comments on that I see one from a well known late transitioning boxing promoter saying of course TW need to be included and heard

This is on a post for 16 days against gender based violence, a campaign against violence against women

By an individual who strangled their wife

I am really struggling to phrase this in a way that does not get banned but this makes the whole clueless virtue signalling even worse

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 08/12/2020 08:41

I am really struggling to phrase this in a way that does not get banned but this makes the whole clueless virtue signalling even worse.

It gaslighting. We're no longer allowed to speak the truth. Not only that but we must lie or else.

It reminds me of my relationship with my abusive ex-husband.

chipperfish · 08/12/2020 08:46

I cant decide whether its cognitive dissonance or dissociation for the individual - it wasnt me who did that (despite describing it in memoirs)

or is it just a general leap on to defend the fact that the UNwoman tweet is getting a well deserved WTF ratio without any engagement with the subject beyond - I must be centered

ThatIsNotMyUsername · 08/12/2020 08:53

I want to see a woman who understands what it’s like growing up as a little girl - the barriers of opportunity, getting groped on the bus as a primary school kid and catcalled in senior school, periods and babies, not getting a job because you are of an age when you ‘might have babies’, and being overlooked for promo because you are a woman, being encouraged to ‘dress nice’ for work events, being scared who walk home/exercise alone, being overlooked once you get your first grey hair, being told to ‘be nice’ rather than stand up for yourself... the pains/illnesses that only women can get. The understanding that only a woman can really understand.

Is there a UNTrans / LGBetc group? Because maybe there should be.

AvocadoBathroom · 08/12/2020 08:53

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

Unwomen couldn't be better named.
Unwomen.
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