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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Self ID Stats

92 replies

LizzyButterfly · 17/12/2019 20:49

Having looked at the stats on "self ID" in terms of reform of the Gender Recognition Act, information from other countries that have adopted this are quite revealing. Trans people who apply per annum vs the population really shows how little an issue this really is.

Ireland: 129pa, pop. 4.83M
Denmark: 279pa, pop. 5.6M
Norway: 706pa, pop. 5.32M

I really don't know why it's such a problem????

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Wondersense · 18/12/2019 08:50

Anyway, do you really, truly think a man would get a GRC just to get into a woman only space???

Absolutely. The fact that you even ask that shows that you are incredibly naive and do not know the experience of most women. FFS, predatory men have trained for years and gone into careers so they can get access to vulnerable people. This is actually a bit easier in comparison and may no longer mean undergoing operations or even trying to look like a woman. The very fact that people are scared of losing their jobs over 'transphobia' means that men like this are more likely to start pushing boundaries and get away with it.

KenDodd · 18/12/2019 09:06

@OldCrone

Currently nearly half the male prisoners who identify as transwomen are sex offenders (60 out of 125).

Do you have a link for that? And also the percentage of men in prison for sex offences for comparison? The numbers could be very illuminating.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 18/12/2019 09:08

I think it was about 15 or 20 % of male prisoners in general? Much lower anyway.

OldCrone · 18/12/2019 09:16

KenDodd

It's in the first table in this article.

medium.com/@evastanford/transwomen-sexual-offenders-a-closer-look-6c507d9e2414

125 transwomen of whom 60 are sex offenders (48% are sex offenders), compared to13,452 sex offenders in a total male prison population of 69,307 (19.4%).

DuMondeB · 18/12/2019 09:51

I think OP is right. We’re all worrying about nothing at all!

Time to completely repeal the GRA 2004 and do away with the concept of changing legal sex entirely.
Everyone can present as they please and change their names to whatever they like (will we need to legislate to prevent discrimination based on sex stereotype expression?) but no cocks will be in women’s prisons, nor in women’s sports.

The entire debate is now resolved. Thanks OP!

koshkat · 18/12/2019 09:55

Time to completely repeal the GRA 2004 and do away with the concept of changing legal sex entirely.

This.

Ereshkigal · 18/12/2019 12:25

Yes. That's the "reform" I'll get behind.

DodoPatrol · 18/12/2019 12:37

Thing is, OP, one boy now entitled to use the girls' facilities in my daughter's 2000-pupil Stonewall Champion school means that 1000 girls no longer have a guaranteed single-sex loo.

CharlieParley · 18/12/2019 13:50

Thing is, OP, one boy now entitled to use the girls' facilities in my daughter's 2000-pupil Stonewall Champion school means that 1000 girls no longer have a guaranteed single-sex loo.

Not just one school. This is also happening in Scotland where we know of girls self-excluding from PE because they are expected to get changed with fully developed teenage boys, self-excluding from school when they are menstruating because they are expected to put up with boys harassing them in mixed-sex toilets.

Nobody counts the girls now feeling uncomfortable, embarrassed, distraught or traumatised because the needs of some boys are prioritised above their own.

Nobody counts the longterm damage done to our girls by a society that teaches them that while girls may be allowed boundaries around their own bodies, they are only allowed to assert them against some boys and most definitely not against boys who identify as trans.

This goes against all safeguarding principles. But who cares, eh? They're only girls after all. Who the fuck cares about them?

Ibloodylovewomen · 18/12/2019 23:32

Where's the OP I wonder? I was looking forward to hearing their reasoned answers to the questions asked on here...

HorseWithNoTimeForCis · 19/12/2019 11:06

Christmas shopping with Bespin.

Poota · 19/12/2019 12:42

Christmas shopping with Bespin.

Grin
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 19/12/2019 12:54

On a boat!

Poota · 19/12/2019 13:03

Working out on which day of Christmas they can count Lesbians a-leaping.

Ibloodylovewomen · 21/12/2019 00:30

Ha! Grin

VMisaMarshmallow · 21/12/2019 01:25

It only takes one male prisoner in female prison to rape female prisoners. That’s more than enough harm done.

I also think the over all harm done to free speech is terrifying.

SophoclesTheFox · 21/12/2019 06:06

Loving the term “yaniving about” Grin

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