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Transactivists tweeting violent threats to Sharron Davies for opposing the cotton ceiling

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LesbianMeansSomething · 05/05/2019 21:26

I won't hold my breath for Twitter to take any action as there are far too many women to ban for stating biological facts but thank-you to Sharron (and Kelly Holmes and Lord Moonie) for standing up for lesbians:

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1124999664820994048

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JessicaWakefieldSV · 05/05/2019 21:54

Oh I’m not on Twitter or is support her there. Awful. Look at all the morons saying, nobody’s forcing anything just pointing out bigotry

HerFemaleness · 05/05/2019 22:09

I'm a bit baffled by all the claims that it's a lie. As if there wasn't a video by Riley J Dennis on that ghastly fun fem site which advises lesbians that excluding penis havers from their dating pool is transphobic if those penis havers identify as women.

everydayfeminism.com/2016/12/dating-preferences-discriminatory/

As if McKinnon didn't dismiss same sex sexual orientation as a 'genital hangups'.

twitter.com/sharrond62/status/1124999664820994048

As if lesbians aren't being told they're not real lesbians but 'vagina fetishists'.

medium.com/@BitchardPryor/dear-trans-exclusionary-lesbians-7a5f18c23a2a

Groucho Marx would be fucking proud of these jokers ''who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes''.

Genderfreelass · 05/05/2019 22:21

There is so much evidence about the cotton ceiling. The comments about it being bots posting about it not actual trans people when the cheating cyclist has even posted about the need for lesbians to "cope".

FannyCann · 05/05/2019 22:24

It's a conspiracy. Hmm

Transactivists tweeting violent threats to Sharron Davies for opposing the cotton ceiling
FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 22:27

I'm always a bit nervy about using specific terms, but the argument from them that the cotton ceiling doesn't exist and that lesbians are not being told they are transphobic for saying no to anyone who has or had a penis, is surely text book gaslighting?

And that 'Shut the Fuck up T*' meme with the anime and the gun is a violent threat and needs to be reported as such whenever posted.

And, as an aside, I haven't clicked on a Twitter link since I decided to leave, and that shit show of fuckery has reminded me why.

JessicaWakefieldSV · 05/05/2019 22:30

But Adrian himself would absolutely say to a lesbian they’re transphobic if they were to say they don’t date transwomen. So he’s talking out his arse.

GrinitchSpinach · 05/05/2019 22:31

Not to mention Morgan Page, who ran the "Overcoming the Cotton Ceiling" workshop in 2012, being hired by Stonewall for "transgender leadership":

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3458395-Looks-like-the-National-Lottery-and-Stonewall-have-picked-a-side-in-the-cotton-ceiling-debate

But go on telling lesbians it's all in their heads... Hmm

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 22:32

I wouldn't like to call any one a big fat liar, but I find myself sorely tempted after that screen shot...

KennDodd · 05/05/2019 22:38

Do penis owning transwoman lesbians ever get any abuse as transphobic for refusing to have sex with other penis owning transwoman lesbians I wonder? They would both be women looking for sex/relationships with other women after all. Maybe this has never come up as a problem as for some unfathomable reason transwoman don't actively pursue other transwoman?

KennDodd · 05/05/2019 22:43

Adrian Harrop is gay is he not? Presumably he is equally attracted to female bodied transmen and wants to have sex with them?

Genderfreelass · 05/05/2019 22:46

Kenn Dodd bizarrely there are what appear like gay men that call themselves lesbians!

FloralBunting · 05/05/2019 22:50

It the Heads I Win, Tails You Lose element.

You are transphobic if you are a lesbian who does not accept any variation of penis, inny or outy.
You are homophobic if you ask a a gay man why he won't consider a 'transman's' vagina.

I don't understand why this is a winning argument, ask Owen Jones. He's like, a very well educated commentator and he knows stuff and thinks this is perfectly sensible.

NotTerfNorCis · 05/05/2019 22:51

If it's true that transwomen don't expect lesbians to be interested in them, I suppose they'll be vacating dating sites aimed at lesbians now?

LesbianMeansSomething · 05/05/2019 22:57

For some reason, completely different rules apply for men, and gay men who are staunch transactivists can get away with being shocked at the very idea of considering transmen as partners while being perfectly happy for lesbians to be attacked for not wanting to have sex with be-penised people:

louisepennington.org/owen-jones-lesbians-and-transphobia/

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justasking111 · 05/05/2019 22:59

Can someone answer me this I find it so puzzling. If I was a woman stuck in a mans body who transitioned. I would be dreaming about meeting a hunky bloke preferably a Tom Hardy lookalike.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 05/05/2019 23:17

justasking
Then you would be a gay man. You may not have realised that women don't get 'stuck in a male body' neither do men 'get stuck' in a female body.
if a person wants to have sex with a person of the same sex as them then they are either gay, male or lesbian, female. It's not that difficult. People who are same sex attracted are homosexual.

justasking111 · 05/05/2019 23:31

So transexuals are gay. I thought they were heterosexual but in the wrong skin. Thank you for the info.

HerFemaleness · 05/05/2019 23:41

You can't argue with these totalist zealots. You present them with evidence of the cotton ceiling and they'll dismiss it as part of a conspiracy. They'll believe without evidence a story that evil feminists are putting razor blades behind stickers, but present them with articles, tweets and blogs of transwomen calling lesbians worse than scum for not being sexually attracted to males and it's all a 'conspiracy'. We see you.

BettyFloop · 06/05/2019 00:00

I'm reliably informed (had to attend a transgender workshop in order to 'educate' me, for my work) that being trans has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation but is all about one's internal "gender identity". So if you're het prior to transition you remain het and if you're homo you remain homo. I was told this by a male person who wanted to present as female. When I asked them why the T had been added to the LGB if the LGB was all about marginalised sexuality rather than "identity" I didn't get a satisfactory explanation and the male person didn't come back after the break for coffee Hmm

Absolutepowercorrupts · 06/05/2019 00:07

Justasking
No transsexual are not gay and in the wrong skin. You are doing a disservice to those who define themselves as Transsexual. I'm not and would never to presume to describe their lived lives. You appeared to have missed my point about it's not possible to be " Stuck in the wrong body"
If you are Buffalo Bill and have a fetish about skin then fuck off back to the sites you enjoy.

FloralBunting · 06/05/2019 00:09

being trans has nothing to do with one's sexual orientation but is all about one's internal "gender identity". So if you're het prior to transition you remain het and if you're homo you remain homo

Yeah, keep reading this one. The fallacy seems to be rooted in thinking that het and homo either refer primarily to the sex of the person you fancy, which is the basis of all those obnoxious but prescient jokes about male lesbians, or that het or homo are divorced entirely from sex and actually your gender identity is mystically attracted to someone else's gender identity.

Duster12 · 06/05/2019 00:17

Dr Psycho is vomit inducing. Can't believe it's still going 😵

2BthatUnnoticed · 06/05/2019 00:20

There is a major campaign on to get Kelly sacked by her sponsors (in response to her defending lesbians’ right to be homosexual).

Please if this concerns you, let Kelly’s sponsors know that you support her (I don’t know her personally):

[email protected] (should be a normal hyphen but my phone doesn’t have one)
020 8391 3500

2BthatUnnoticed · 06/05/2019 00:23

Why is a gay man pontificating on the lived experiences of actual lesbians?

How the hell would he know? Confused

2BthatUnnoticed · 06/05/2019 00:26

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Transactivists tweeting violent threats to Sharron Davies for opposing the cotton ceiling
Transactivists tweeting violent threats to Sharron Davies for opposing the cotton ceiling