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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sunday Times Front Cover. Trans Prison wings

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RedToothBrush · 09/02/2019 23:06

Well.

Sunday Times Front Cover. Trans Prison wings
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LangCleg · 10/02/2019 20:28

In the end, they'd have to redesignate a male prison to be a female prison and make it high category. Almost everyone in it would be trans since only a tiny number of female prisoners are in high risk categories.

youllhavehadyourtea · 10/02/2019 20:28

completetly skewed and meaningless statistics ^

Popchyk · 10/02/2019 20:53

From The Times article:

"A number of high-risk trans inmates have already been moved back to men's prisons".

Wonder why they were deemed suitable to be transferred to the women's estate in the first place?

And what happened to make them unsuitable to stay in the women's estate?

Cynical old me thinks that there may have been other "could never happen" incidents. In addition to the Karen White offences.

I wonder if Gilligan has more to come on this.

OlennasWimple · 10/02/2019 21:11

I'd guess that the MoJ minutes were leaked, rather than released under an FoI request.

Though one of us could try asking to see the minutes ourselves under FoI and see what happens?

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 11/02/2019 07:02

Nicola Williams was on the today programme earlier this morning discussing this

ToeToToe · 11/02/2019 07:16

Yes, I just heard it.

I may be in bad morning mood, but it sounded v much like the male presenter cared more about Helen Belcher's "identity" than women being raped in UK prisons.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 11/02/2019 07:38

Well she got the word ‘penis’ in there at least. A bit of a wishy washy piece that didn’t really address issues very well.

TimeLady · 11/02/2019 07:58

Report in the Metro

metro.co.uk/2019/02/10/prisons-to-get-transgender-wings-after-complaints-from-female-inmates-8509804/

Last year Metro.co.uk reported how a male prisoner had gender realignment surgery and spent years in a female prison, where he got engaged, only to ask to have the surgery reversed in time for his release.

You couldn't make it up.

Oxytocindeficient · 11/02/2019 08:02

Last year Metro.co.uk reported how a male prisoner had gender realignment surgery and spent years in a female prison, where he got engaged, only to ask to have the surgery reversed in time for his release

Of course he did....

OvaHere · 11/02/2019 08:20

How can you get SRS reversed? I suspect they mean had breast implants removed which shows how obfuscating terms like gender realignment are.

Ereshkigal · 11/02/2019 09:09

sounded v much like the male presenter cared more about Helen Belcher's "identity" than women being raped in UK prisons.

Witness my amazement.

nettie434 · 14/02/2019 14:32

Just got an email from my MP. A poster here suggested writing to your MP to let them know that you had signed the petition about women’s prisons and transgender offenders. To give him credit, he has written to the Prisons Minister (Edward Argar) and he sent me Edward Argar’s reply. I’d try to show it here but it is splattered all over with ‘your constituent, Nettie’, and ‘to respond to Nettie’s concerns’. It basically highlights the new policy and says the Prison Service and the Probation Service must show evidence they have consulted women and women’s organisations. I thought it was a good response so am very pleased.

FeministCat · 14/02/2019 14:50

I suspect they mean had breast implants removed which shows how obfuscating terms like gender realignment are.

I raise your suspect to suspect you are right. It is a problem because many of the greater public and even those pushing the TRA agenda don’t realize post op can mean implants, or shaving the Adam’s apple, or heck, nowadays laser facial hair removal.

Many don’t understand the concerns over protecting our spaces as women because they aren’t aware most of these TIMs still have their penis and have no intent to remove them because “ladypenis” is so “dainty and feminine”.

Needmoresleep · 17/02/2019 00:59

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6712985/One-prisoner-50-identifies-opposite-sex.html

The MailOn Sunday follows up with some, extraordinary, numbers.

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