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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brian Paddock on Twitter

96 replies

kesstrel · 11/10/2018 15:14

So Brian Paddock thinks self-ID is ok because

A birth certificate has never been used as a passport to access safe spaces & the GRA is about birth certificates.

And also that transwomen have nothing to do with male violence, and that If a lesbian is seeking refuge from domestic violence, simply denying refuge access to men won’t help.

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BesmirchingMotherhood · 11/10/2018 18:56

DisrespectfulAdultFemale

Fuck off, Brian.

‘Fuck off, Brian’ is going to be my new standard response to any meaningless, ill-thought-through shite from now on.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/10/2018 18:57

And why WHY do women in prison have to get naked shower with share cells with men they don't know, even if the men don't rape them?

Having to put up with men all over teh place all teh time when we are vulnerable and it's fine as long as they dont' rape us overlooks massive massive chunks of all sorts of stuff about men and women in our society and it's not surprising becasue you're a BLOKE.

Redkeyboard · 11/10/2018 19:00

And why WHY do women in prison have to get naked shower with share cells with men they don't know, even if the men don't rape them?

Having to put up with men all over teh place all teh time when we are vulnerable and it's fine as long as they dont' rape us overlooks massive massive chunks of all sorts of stuff about men and women in our society and it's not surprising becasue you're a BLOKE.

Also the massive irony of being told to leave transwomen alone when all women want to do is have some bloody privacy.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 19:03

Besmirching, that made me laugh. "Fuck off, Brian" does have a certain right, doesn't it?

Bicyclethief · 11/10/2018 19:09

Are transmen more of a threat then?

Bicyclethief · 11/10/2018 19:12

Probably has been discussed, but can someone point me to how self id would work? Is there a process of some kind? Is it just a man decided he is a woman, gets a birth certificate and he is a woman?

Rebecca36 · 11/10/2018 19:17

I'm disappointed, have always liked him. However he may change his mind, probably not thought it all out properly - and not put himself in the shoes of a woman.....so to speak.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 19:19

Fuck off, Brian’ is going to be my new standard response to any meaningless, ill-thought-through shite from now on.

I sense a MN meme coming on.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 19:21

I know a Brian. I'd like to tell him to fuck off for his patronising sexism too. So yeah. I'm liking fuck off Brian.

Turph · 11/10/2018 19:21

Yes, birth certificates are simultaneously pointless and never used, and also must be made easier to change the sex recorded because it's utterly vital.The same as women should have no problem just telling any man with nefarious intent to 'Go away' in a firm, loud voice and therefore feel safer, but transwomen are so terribly vulnerable that they couldn't possibly use the toilet designated for their sex because they are far too frail and tremulous to stand up to the men in there.
These are going on my list!

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 19:38

The same as women should have no problem just telling any man with nefarious intent to 'Go away' in a firm, loud voice and therefore feel safer.

Sturdy pyjamas all round, then.

merrymouse · 11/10/2018 19:40

‘You can always question someone’s presence’ is the woke equivalent of ‘why didn’t you report it?’.

VickyEadie · 11/10/2018 19:43

You can always question someone’s presence

The range of possible responses to a question like "Should you be in here?" includes: yes, fuck off; yes, what's it to you?; Who the fuck ar you to ask me that?; getting beaten up; etc.

It's never going to go well for the average woman, much less a child, is it?

seafret · 11/10/2018 19:48

Yeah, Fuck off Brian :)

Melamin · 11/10/2018 19:53

It's never going to go well for the average woman, much less a child, is it?

That puts me in mind of a certain Eddie's autobiography and 13 yr old girls finding him in the toilets. Not sure how that would have gone if he had felt entitled to be there Hmm

SylvanianFrenemies · 11/10/2018 19:57

Brian can come back to us when he's happy to lick a transman's manly clit.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 20:01

He was married to a woman before...

SylvanianFrenemies · 11/10/2018 20:07

Fair enough. But I wonder if he would differentiate between transmen and other, be-penised men? 🤔

Voice0fReason · 11/10/2018 20:49

Brian Pillock mansplains why women are being silly to worry about predatory men

Voice0fReason · 11/10/2018 20:52

Probably has been discussed, but can someone point me to how self id would work? Is there a process of some kind? Is it just a man decided he is a woman, gets a birth certificate and he is a woman?
Man decides he is a woman, completes a form, is given a GRC.
Because it would be unfair and too onerous to expect anything more.
It genuinely will be that simple.

In the meantime, all they have to do is say that they identify as a woman to gain the legal right to be treated as a woman. You cannot even ask to see a person's GRC.

merrymouse · 11/10/2018 21:05

Even the bit about men challenging ‘predatory’ gay men in the changing room is baffling. Is that really standard police advice?

Anlaf · 11/10/2018 21:15

To be fair to Brian -and due to female socialisation I feel I must be fair - there is enormous pressure in the lib dems to intone transwomenarewomen and never waver.

I've seen lib dem women piled on til they give grovelling apologies for even trying to question whether maybe, maybe...

It will take brave people to step away from that. And Brian is not brave, not for this.

I reckon it'll have to be us lib dem women who speak up. Leave it to the lasses as fucking usual

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 11/10/2018 21:21

I don't understand why men think they have a right to any opinion at all on this.

Women decide who we get undressed in front of. Men don't get to dictate our boundaries to us.

Fuck off Brian.

NoSquirrels · 11/10/2018 21:22

I am very disappointed in Brian Paddick. Always thought he had integrity and intelligence. Some of those comments from a former highly regarded and decorated police officer are so unbelievably naive.

can someone point me to how self id would work? Is there a process of some kind? Is it just a man decided he is a woman, gets a birth certificate and he is a woman?

Currently - prove you’ve lived in opposite ‘gender’ for 2+ years, have medical proof of disphoria, pay £140.

Future - unknown. But government consultation says they want to make it less expensive, less ‘burdensome and intrusive’ in terms of proofs needed and de-medicalise the process (so no proof of disphoria). And cut the time you’d need to ‘live as’ significantly so that 18 year olds can get it done quicker. Probably will involve a notarised declaration you ‘intend to live as’ permanently.

Basically what you said, bicycle. Declare yourself the opposite sex and get a form signed to say so. Immediately have access to new legal documents (birth certificate etc) and therefore all the rights in law of the ‘new gender’.

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/10/2018 21:33

I have nothing to add except
Fuck off Brian