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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Brian Paddock on Twitter

96 replies

kesstrel · 11/10/2018 15:14

So Brian Paddock thinks self-ID is ok because

A birth certificate has never been used as a passport to access safe spaces & the GRA is about birth certificates.

And also that transwomen have nothing to do with male violence, and that If a lesbian is seeking refuge from domestic violence, simply denying refuge access to men won’t help.

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terryleather · 11/10/2018 16:22

The amount of women that feel entitled to throw away the rights of all of us other females for woke points and cool girl cookies is just Confused

Having minimal boundaries doesn't make you a better more evolved person ffs, and should not be expected of others.

The inability and/or refusal to consider the fact that others' feelings are valid and might be different from your own is exasperating

Including the male bodied in female spaces means excluding some women and that's not acceptable to me.

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/10/2018 16:24

The same one who felt he should have had access to a refuge when he was in an abusive relationship.
Spectacularly missing the point that Women in refuges have no where else to go,
Whilst he as a senior policeman could have afforded a hotel, and reported his abuse and he would have been listened to

Redkeyboard · 11/10/2018 16:31

He also said leave trans women alone.

We are trying to. That’s kind of the point.

PutYourShirtOnMartin · 11/10/2018 16:35

Brian Wazzock

Redshoeblueshoe · 11/10/2018 16:36

Maybe Paddock should be educating men.
So when a person with a 👗 a beard and a penis goes to the bathroom other men shouldn't beat them up.

Ok ?

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2018 16:45

'transwomen have nothing to do with male violence':

Don't be ridiculous Brian. They have exactly the same amount to do with male violence as any other male. Who don't barge into our spaces.

Anlaf · 11/10/2018 16:46

He paid a lot of lip service to people. A LOT

Agreed. Very much a "I've listened to both sides but I must stand with transwomen"

"I have now ended this debate"

"I am now patting myself on my back"

"aren't I a jolly good fellow, a jolly good..."

LittlePearl · 11/10/2018 16:54

Ugh, reading some of the comments on that thread is sickening.

Honestly, I despair.

merrymouse · 11/10/2018 16:55

“transwomen have nothing to do with male violence”

And this was a policeman? Was he similarly sure that teachers/clergy/youth workers/tv celebrities are always upstanding members of the community?

2BorNot2Bvocal · 11/10/2018 16:57

This guy gets it: "So, by that definition, there should not be any trans women working in women’s refuges because those refuges do have many women who are terrified of male bodies but have been socialised to say nothing. The risk assessment should be clear that male bodies trigger PTSD reactions."

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ZuttZeVootEeVro · 11/10/2018 17:07

Women have justified concerns about male violence, misogyny, male privilege & male dominance of society (as do I) but trans women are not men & are not responsible for these issues - these are issues that affect them too. Time to focus on the real issues & leave trans women alone

Who does he think is responsible for the sexual crimes committed by male transpeople?

merrymouse · 11/10/2018 17:19

*A birth certificate has never been used as a passport to access safe spaces & the GRA is about birth certificates”.

So why bother changing a birth certificate if nobody cares what it says?

Redkeyboard · 11/10/2018 17:22

He hasn’t defined transwomen.

DisrespectfulAdultFemale · 11/10/2018 17:24

Fuck off, Brian.

stillathing · 11/10/2018 17:31

You can always question someone’s presence, whether it’s a predatory gay man in a male changing room or a woman behaving inappropriately in a woman’s changing room.

I'm so sick of reading variations on this. It may be true for the person saying it but it is extremely ignorant of both trauma reactions (the freeze response can look like compliance or acceptance) and of the power of social norms. Women are already socialised to put up and shut up. How, exactly, given we have now seen the vitriol spouted by trans rights advocates, is a woman really supposed to object? Who draws the line between flashing and just getting dressed in this new normal?

And Brian, seriously, women are scared of MEN because of the size and strength differences and their ability to rape. I can count the times I've been afraid of a predatory woman on the fingers of my nose.

ZuttZeVootEeVro · 11/10/2018 17:45

And Brian, seriously, women are scared of MEN because of the size and strength differences and their ability to rape. I can count the times I've been afraid of a predatory woman on the fingers of my nose.

A man who is taller, stronger and who has more influence than most is telling women and girls to grow a pair.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 17:52

I refused to see a doctor for FOUR YEARS because of how a previous doctor had treated me. I did not complain, I did not challenge the behaviour. In the end, DH advocated for me and changed my doctor for me, and got me the support I needed. If I hadn't have had DH I would never have done anything about it. Even now, I have serious trust issues with HCPs. It was to the point that I couldn't speak to a doctor. I just went mute or cried or both.

When I had an issue with a midwife after having DS, i didn't want to complain. DH went mental because my previous history was all over my notes and her actions had undermined a lot of the rebuilding of trust that other HCPs had worked hard to resolve. In the end DH complained himself and it was taken seriously, and the Trust agreed that yes it was a fair complaint and that there were issues with this midwife that they were aware of. Which helps a lot.

I personally hate, hate, hate confrontation like that. It makes me super anxious. Its all part of power dynamics and how people who have had power over me have made me feel. Doctors in particular represent that to me.

I know EXACTLY what will happen if women are forced into this position. They will suffer in silence.

If it hadn't been for DH I don't know where I'd be now. I had him to advocate for me. The point is that an abused woman, has no one. Absolutely no one. They trust no one. And certain things will trigger them.

If they think they will be put in a position which they fear they will avoid it. Even if that alternative puts their very life in danger.

The point of 'the most vulnerable in society' is they lack the capacity to speak for themselves and do not have a voice of their own politicially. They rely on the voices of others to advocate for them.

In every day life, I get treated differently to 6ft men not just because of my sex but also because of my size. Other bigger women are offered more respect.

5'1" women don't get the same level of respect. Imagine being a group of 6ft men all talking to each other whilst stood up - that can lead to you being literally having to shout to be heard at all, and you are physically seperate to the conversation. People talk over your head. They infantilise you and treat you like a child.

Brian does not get it. He is a confident man with a physical presence. This is not a reality that would even enter his head. His mindset, is simply "of course you'd say something", not an assessment of why women are KNOWN not always speak out and assert themselves in many areas of life. THAT is what priviledge is.

merrymouse · 11/10/2018 18:01

“You can always question someone’s presence”????

This is advice from somebody who was in the police?

The average woman is about 5 inches shorter and a couple of stone lighter than the average man. He really thinks women are in a position to ‘question their presence?’

(Even leaving aside the issue of self ID this seems like rubbish advice for anyone, nevermind their sex, who wants to avoid a long stay in either hospital or prison).

Plainspeak · 11/10/2018 18:01

*A birth certificate has never been used as a passport to access safe spaces & the GRA is about birth certificates”.

There is a male who raped women who got a GRC in prison and was transferred to a women's prison. Cant remember who though.

Paddick needs to be tweeted this.

But I think he will squirm and prevaricate and deny all facts other than those he wants to see.

FloralBunting · 11/10/2018 18:07

Yes, birth certificates are simultaneously pointless and never used, and also must be made easier to change the sex recorded because it's utterly vital.

The same as women should have no problem just telling any man with nefarious intent to 'Go away' in a firm, loud voice and therefore feel safer, but transwomen are so terribly vulnerable that they couldn't possibly use the toilet designated for their sex because they are far too frail and tremulous to stand up to the men in there.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 18:16

Birth certificates are completely pointless.

Thats why I use them to trace my family history and this is a multi-million pound industry. Thats why we don't have to produce a birth certificate when we apply for a passport for the first time to establish our nationality and the name and nationality of our parents.

Yes. Completely pointless.

hipsterfun · 11/10/2018 18:46

You can always question someone’s presence

Yeah thanks, Brian, I’ll pass that on to little DD, shall I?

OvaHere · 11/10/2018 18:51

Questioning the presence worked out well for the Planet Fitness woman who complained about the fetishistic cross dresser in her changing room. She was just called transphobic and had her gym membership revoked.

That's what all our futures look like if we try to question the special lady cock.

RedToothBrush · 11/10/2018 18:54

I suppose questioning someone's presence works if you are in prison?

NothingOnTellyAgain · 11/10/2018 18:55

"There is a male who raped women who got a GRC in prison and was transferred to a women's prison. Cant remember who though.

Paddick needs to be tweeted this."

Well no on the thread Karen Jones (sexaully assaulted 4 women in prison) was raised and paddick says NO NO don't just say men can't be locked in with women, you need better risk assessment...

Tell you what Brian mate, women and girls are told from the day our tits start to grow that MEN generic MEN are a risk. You know this. There is a reason for this.

But Oh these ones have filled in an online form and now have a legal right to be in with the women mmmmkay? And let's not worry about the FACT that most men who commit sex offences are NEVER reported or caught and it is a large minority of men so how exactly are these oh so clever risk assessments going to work then?

Or is the idea to make prisons mixed sex and then have a separate prison for sex offenders because it's about people not sex OMG don't be so sexist women do it too what about lesbians blah blah blah

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