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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Motion against Liverpool ReSisters by Liverpool City Council

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LiverpoolReSisters · 13/09/2018 11:59

Council motion can be found here: councillors.liverpool.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=305&MId=16817&Ver=4

Our reply:

Dear Councillors,

I am writing to you on behalf of a group of local women who have grave concerns about the government’s proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

The government have recently launched a consultation on changes to this law which will effectively render women’s sex-based rights under the Equality Act 2010 redundant. Under the proposals for ‘self identification’ or ‘self ID’ of gender, any person can legally change their sex by simply signing a form, with no checks or balances. This has many consequences for our community, and we feel some of our Council representatives have not considered the full implications of this issue and have made hasty public comments as a result. The motion put forward by these council members is well-meaning, but has clearly not been assessed for the wider impact it will have on the community they represent.

We would like to comment on item 14 in the City Council Meeting Agenda, dated Wednesday 19 September, 2018.

“Hate crime can be devastating for victims and their families and has the potential to divide and damage communities and neighbourhoods.”

We, as members of the group Liverpool ReSisters, agree that hate crime has the potential to divide and damage individuals and communities.

As defined on gov.uk, a hate crime is a crime committed against someone because of their disability, gender-identity, race, religion or belief, or sexual orientation.

Is Liverpool City Council accusing Liverpool ReSisters of a hate crime? Naming our group in the Agenda item directly below this commentary is a clear effort to tie our name with criminal activity.

“A hateful campaign has been set up by Liverpool ReSisters that has seen stickers regarding Trans women and gender recognition defacing public art works and buildings across Merseyside.”

We would like to point out the following facts:

  1. We have not “set up” a “hateful campaign”. On August 17 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted a picture of a packet of unused stickers that stated the biological truth, “Women don’t have penises”. At this point, media attention came our way, and we were reported to the Merseyside Police for a hate crime. Apparently this is still under investigation, with the professed assistance of Mayor Joe Anderson .
  1. On August 18 2018, Liverpool ReSisters tweeted 4 pictures of one sticker on one Antony Gormley statue on Crosby beach, and one sticker on one information placard about the statues. There is no evidence of these objects being defaced by stickers which – by their very nature – are easily removed by anyone with the wherewithal to do so. Crosby beach is within the boundaries of Sefton, and to our knowledge, no other stickers have been reported to be found in areas “across Merseyside”.
  1. Liverpool ReSisters does not feel these stickers condone hatred towards anyone, but have served to raise awareness about the problems inherent in “self ID” and the fact that the government’s consultation on the proposed change to law is open to the public until 19 October 2018. (see consult.education.gov.uk/government-equalities-office/reform-of-the-gender-recognition-act/consultation/intro/ for more information)
  1. In our press release, which can be found on the homepage of our blog, we state the sincerely held belief that legislation must be drafted that benefits trans people, protects children, and upholds women’s rights. We refute the claim that any of these views are hateful in any way.

“The campaign has created a platform for some people to share offensive comments about the trans community particularly on social media”

Liverpool ReSisters do not own, run or moderate the content on social media platforms. We are not liable or responsible for any views other than our own, which we state clearly in our twitter and blog, and invite Liverpool City Councillors to view for themselves: @LiverpoolResis1 and www.liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com

We do remain anonymous on our twitter and blog accounts, because women have been attacked for expressing the view that women don’t have penises. Our group has been on the receiving end of many disturbingly hateful and violent messages. Please see the following blog post that shows clear examples of such behaviour:

liverpoolresisters.wordpress.com/2018/08/24/why-are-we-anonymous/

“Liverpool ReSisters do not recognise Transgender women as women”

Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

Many people are under the impression that the term ‘transgender’ is interchangeable with ‘transsexual’ – i.e. referring to people who have lived with severe gender dysphoria their entire lives, and embark on a social, medical, and surgical transition to live life as if they were the opposite sex. It is this tiny minority of people who the original Gender Recognition Act was there to help, and the reason why most people have always been supportive of trans rights, accepting of preferred pronouns and so on.

Stonewall (officially Stonewall Equality Limited) is a registered charity that lobbies UK government for changes in equality laws for lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people. Stonewall defines trans as:

“Trans people may describe themselves using one or more of a wide variety of terms, including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, gender-queer (GQ), gender-fluid, non-binary, gender-variant, crossdresser, genderless, agender, nongender, third gender, two-spirit, bi-gender, trans man, trans woman,trans masculine, trans feminine and neutrois.”

Over 80% of males who now identify as ‘trans’ never intend to make any bodily changes, so remain fully intact males, despite claiming a female identity.

To clarify, we share with Liverpool City Council the following dictionary definitions:

Male: of or denoting the sex that produces gametes, especially spermatozoa, with which a female may be fertilized or inseminated to produce offspring

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes

We repeat: Women don’t have penises. This is not hate speech, it is not transphobia, it is a simple statement of biological fact.

“There is no place in our city for hatred and bigotry”

Again, we require urgent clarification from Liverpool City Council – are Liverpool ReSisters being accused of a hate crime? Is the Council united in accusing us of hatred and bigotry, and on what grounds and evidence is being used for such an accusation?

“Liverpool is a haven for inclusivity, acceptance and tolerance and we are proud to stand with our LGBT+ community in their endeavour to strengthen their rights both here and around the world”

The goals and aims of Liverpool ReSisters is to raise awareness of the potential threat to sex based rights and women’s rights from current proposed changes to law. We live in a democratic society wherein we have the privilege to debate and discuss changes to law that will affect members of our society. Our main focus is on women’s rights. We are a women’s group.

Women and girls need spaces of their own for a variety of reasons, but principally because we continue to face male violence and harassment in public and in private spaces. The World Health Organisation calls violence against women and girls a “major public health problem and a violation of women’s human rights”, and estimates that one in three women will endure violence from a partner or ex-partner, or non-partner sexual violence in their lifetime. This violence is perpetrated by males. Until this despicable violence ends, women need safe female-only spaces.

As city councillors, we would expect you to have an understanding of the need for safeguarding for women and girls, and to oversee the statutory duties of the Council to provide for the specific needs of this sex class.

Given the recent news story about Merseyside Police being unable to monitor the thousands of sex offenders on Liverpool’s streets, as well as the endemic problem of male violence, we should be prioritising the safety and safeguarding of vulnerable women and children.

Recent statistics show that 90% of all sexual incidents in public changing rooms (voyeurism, harassment, assault and rape) occur in mixed sex facilities (despite the vast majority of facilities remaining single sex). If self-id becomes law, all spaces will become mixed sex by default, and women and children will be put at much greater risk.

“TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN”

We encourage Liverpool City Councillors to refer to the above dictionary definitions of Male and Female.

A recent poll by Pink News/YouGov showed that only 18% of the public is in favour of self-identification. Most of the public are under the impression that transgender is the same as transsexual, completely unaware that the majority of (what is now defined as) transgender women do not undergo any treatment, continue to retain their penises and are heterosexual. Once explained, the overwhelming majority of people can see the dangers and problems with self-id. We have already seen horrendous events come to light; there will be more and the public will be unforgiving to those elected representatives who allowed this to happen.

Liverpool ReSisters fully intend to continue raising awareness about this issue.

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ToeToToe · 19/09/2018 19:00

"If you'd approached it in a different way, then we'd have listened"

Direct quote from Mayor Anderson.

WarmWishes · 19/09/2018 19:05

This seems like an appropriate time to let those who aren't from Liverpool know how Joe handles things. Some people call it a scandal.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/calls-liverpool-mayor-joe-anderson-10005630.amp

ToeToToe · 19/09/2018 19:19

Ugh I can't even... I'd be banned from MN if I said what I thought about that.

Cascade220 · 19/09/2018 19:35

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iamawoman · 19/09/2018 19:47

Excellent response.
Did Liverpool council really put 'transwomen are women' in capitals- I find that a bit unhinged. I think someone needs to buy them a subscription to the spectator !!

SwearyG · 19/09/2018 20:10

"If you'd approached it in a different way, then we'd have listened"

Seriously? Fuckers. We have. We've written letters and asked to be heard and been ignored. Lying shitbag.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 19/09/2018 20:30

I tweeted Anderson every bloody day for several days in my capacity as a voter and heard nothing yet he jumps through hoops for that Harrop. I'll fucking campaign for his closest rival when the next elections come. He's already had a taste of bitter failure when he wanted to be the Metro mayor.

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 19/09/2018 21:12

Anyone who tried to “approach this in a different way” as he said, should get copies out of their emails tweets Facebook posts whatever they are and inundate this (can’t say it.) on the Liverpool city council twitter and Facebook accounts and say- what like this????

Carrrotsandcauliflower · 19/09/2018 21:12

That speech made me so angry- what a blert.

Ereshkigal · 19/09/2018 21:33

"If you'd approached it in a different way, then we'd have listened"

Reminiscent of Sanctimonious Morph: "we've doubled down now because you weren't nice enough, so you've made it worse" not the actual quote but near enough!

Freespeecher · 19/09/2018 23:48

CandC

Uptick for 'blert'. (What do you mean we can't uptick on this site? Dammit).

ChattyLion · 20/09/2018 01:12

That reasoning is on a vindictive par with ‘now look what you made me do’..

LiverpoolReSisters · 20/09/2018 06:12

A quick summary of last night - we'll do a proper write-up on our blog, and do look out for Connor Kelly's thoughts, all coming in the next few days.

  1. There was a very large crowd in front of Town Hall (which was flying the pink, blue and white flag), which meant we had to essentially force our way past in order to gain access to the building.
  1. The Lord Mayor spoke to our representative and the trans rep in her chambers, warning us not to heckle each other when speaking.
  1. Our speaker was told to sit in a specific row, and everyone else was told to sit behind her. It was explained that all the speakers would sit on this row, but she was left on her own, and eventually surrounded by trans rights activists on all sides as they filed into the room.
  1. Our speaker was specifically told to speak for 3 minutes maximum, or she would be cut off, but the trans speaker was allowed nearly 4 minutes of speaking time.
  1. After Joe Anderson's response - which was fascinating in its disproportionate anger and vitriol - the council members stood up to applaud, the TRAs stood up to applaud, and the council members turned to applaud the TRAs, with our speaker sitting in the midst of this self-congratulatory, intimidating display.
  1. It boils down to this: A woman asked the council to consider women's rights in their decision making processes. The mayor said no.
  1. We have more to say. We will not be silenced.
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ThelmaRB · 20/09/2018 07:31

So angry and depressed about this. Thanks for your courage and determination in pursuing it. What can we do to help? Am not a Liverpool resident but happy to email, write letters etc.

ToeToToe · 20/09/2018 07:40

Yes, really angry on your behalf LiverpoolResisters.

That was a calculated attempt to intimidate your speaker.

Solidarity.

Floisme · 20/09/2018 07:43

What Toe said. Thank you for doing this.

TerfedOff · 20/09/2018 07:55

Thread here about the ranting Liverpool Mayor and his revenge attack on a feminist group who believe women don't have penises.

t.co/lW6WxKjQaW

SausageOnAFork · 20/09/2018 08:01

"If you'd approached it in a different way, then we'd have listened"

Come now ladies, ask nicely.
All this carry on isn’t lady like.

LiverpoolReSisters · 20/09/2018 08:03

We appreciate your support.

Don't be depressed, though; Joe Anderson exposed who he really is, and it's on video.

He's nailed his colours to the mast, quite literally and spectacularly. We will remember.

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TerfedOff · 20/09/2018 08:11

Put me in mind of a witch trial actually. Or the Spanish Inquisition.

Sarahconnor1 · 20/09/2018 08:16

Liverpool council care little about the safety of women and girls.

Liverpool has the highest number of sexual attacks of all university towns.

The council and police have turned a blind eye to an unofficial red light zone for years (Google sheil road liverpool for many articles) even when it was blindingly obvious that some of the women were being forced into prostitution. There was some enforcement recently but too little too late.

How does Joe Anderson spend his time. Well he wastes police time when everton sell footballers (yes Joe is an Everton supporter). www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/confirmed-two-police-forces-been-14133682.amp

ILuvBirdsEye · 20/09/2018 08:19

Wow! Just wow!
Anything I can do to help?

Ereshkigal · 20/09/2018 08:22

7. We have more to say. We will not be silenced.

Brava. So courageous. It will backfire on them eventually Thanks it's certainly galvanised me.

silentcrow · 20/09/2018 08:30

Well. It does rather sound like someone is making a lot of sound and fury to deflect the public's attention from a rather large financial issue.