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Morgane Oger is campaigning to shut down a rape crisis centre in

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TerfAndSerf · 05/06/2018 20:09

Morgane Oger, that well known "mom" of two, is running for mayor of Vancouver.

One planks of 'her' manifesto is shutting down the Vancouver Rape Relief Shelter because of its anti-trans policy.

Not spiteful at all.......

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R0wantrees · 06/06/2018 00:21

Glibbert's comment in a discussion of a woman's request for a female nurse to do an intimate gyny examination on Green Party thread

"If a white patient insisted she wouldn't be treated by a black nurse the patient would be being racist and the hospital would be in their rights not to treat her. Exactly the same if a patient objects to a trans nurse"

I believe the case reported at the beginning of year demonstrates conflicting rights:
inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-woman-transgender-nurse-smear-test/

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 01:01

Proof that wiki is written by transactivists ...apparently it's nothing to do with women at all.

Morgane Oger is campaigning to shut down a rape crisis centre in
TerfAndSerf · 06/06/2018 01:23

Good grief. 😒

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GeordieTerf · 06/06/2018 01:53

That man is evil. There is nothing more to say.

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 06/06/2018 02:21

This guy is fucking disgusting.

Italiangreyhound · 06/06/2018 02:25

When are the majority of the population going to wake up and see what utter shit is being enacted onto people. The idea that a rape crisis centre cannot exclude male people is utterly vile.

I feel very sorry for Canadians. It's gone from being a wonderful place to be to being a topsy turvey loopey place to be. My friend who is a transexual woman in Canada is very worried about the turn of events.

I think the trans movement is going to eat itself, I hope feminists can stand together.

mancheeze · 06/06/2018 03:01

I live in Vancouver and I know some of the players involved.

OGRE might want to shut the shelter down but he never will. The fact is, after you fight a 12 yr legal battle for your sex based protections, you aren't going to give up because a deranged autogynephile is full of narcissistic lip on Twitter.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/06/2018 03:03

Loved the Kiwi Farms link. Oger is basically the answer to the question "what if Fred Armisen wasn't funny?"

Italiangreyhound · 06/06/2018 03:18

Never heard of Fred Armisen.

Had to Google.

AngryAttackKittens · 06/06/2018 03:20

If you've ever lived in a hipster area Portlandia is worth watching!

TheGoalIsToStayOutOfTheHole · 06/06/2018 03:25

From m.thecoast.ca/halifax/a-trans-canada-tale/Content?oid=8111358 link in OP

That being said, trans exclusionists do exist in Canada. Critics of Bill C-16—some of whom are self-proclaimed feminists—don’t hesitate to prioritize women who were identified as female at birth.Feminists who prioritise femae people. Fancy that.

Then there are more extreme examples of transphobia

Including this extreme transhobia below

More recently, a women-only spa in Toronto was criticized for trans exclusion due to 
an alleged “no-male-genitals rule.” Meghan Murphy of Feminist Current leapt to the spa’s defence in a CBC op-ed. “It would be fair for women who visit the spa to assume they won’t see male genitalia,” Murphy writes.
So transphobic. To expect a woman only spa to be penis free Hmm Definitely a great example of extreme transphobia.

TerfAndSerf · 06/06/2018 03:30

Hat did this narcissist do for a living before 'the change'?

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J4nice · 06/06/2018 03:32

Victory

Mamaryllis · 06/06/2018 03:47

Ronan Oger was in IT I think. Quelle surprise. He is a seriously nasty piece of work.
The really gripping bit is that he appears to be garnering political support for his Foundation, with pet handmaiden politicians to publicize events and tell him how fabulous and brave he is. Yes, Rempel, I’m looking at you.
www.cultureguard.com/2018/05/28/letter-to-michelle-rempel-re-oger/

TerfAndSerf · 06/06/2018 04:27

😱😱😱😱😱😱

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Floisme · 06/06/2018 07:08

I hope I'll remember this the next time someone tries to argue that self ID is working just fine in Canada.

Ereshkigal · 06/06/2018 08:20

One of the main things about the spa was that it is a nude spa. And they accepted post op trans identified males. Which transactivists and their brain dead allies decided to interpret as "they were telling them they had to have surgery to access the spa". As if they were expecting that people would have life changing surgery just so they could go to this particular spa.

Just as they didn't tell any other males who were barred to go off and have genital surgery and come back when done. They simply told them it wasn't for them.

GenderApostate · 06/06/2018 08:29

Nothing would please me more than to see that Ogre in prison where he belongs.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 10:35

It just gets worse and worse. What a nauseating sleazebag.

Pratchet · 06/06/2018 11:34

Gilbert has popped up elsewhere but declining to expand on why a rape crisis centre is odious

R0wantrees · 15/07/2018 15:22

twitter.com/BarbaraRKay/status/1018094028162764800

Morgane Oger's latest allegation.

Article by Barbara Kay:
'One woman's journey from social-justice warrior to free-speech champion
A victim of racism as a child, Sarina Singh became an ardent feminist driven to right social wrongs. Then she had a political epiphany'

(concludes)
"As an ardent feminist, social work, a field dominated by feminist premises, seemed a good fit for Sarina. It didn’t live up to expectations. After 22 years, a transformative experience in a shelter where she was working produced a political epiphany. Two clients with children, both suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, had decided to go off their meds and take only herbal supplements. Over Sarina’s objections, her superiors insisted that, since the medical system was “patriarchal” and it was “empowering” for women to self-treat, she should not interfere. It ended badly, with psychotic episodes putting Sarina at risk, the children needing to be removed from their mothers, and Sarina leaving the profession in a state of guilt over her professional impotence in the face of an irrational ideology.

Sarina’s resulting break with feminism turned into a refusal thenceforth to see the world through the lens of ideology, identity politics or political correctness

Sarina’s resulting break with feminism turned into a refusal thenceforth to see the world through the lens of ideology, identity politics or political correctness. Sarina stopped vilifying the white race; she stopped seeing the world as a zero-sum game between oppressors and oppressed. Today Sarina is one of Canada’s most ardent free-speech warriors. She is particularly incensed by Bill C-16, known as the Transgender Rights Bill, and the “compelled speech” it endorses in support of alleged feelings-based rights.

Next Wednesday, July 18, I will be speaking in Toronto on a public panel Sarina has organized at her own expense: “Bill C-16: One Year Later: Sex, Ideology and Compelled Speech in Canada,” along with neuroscientist and journalist Dr. Debra Soh, lawyer Jared Brown and Wilfrid Laurier University graduate student Lindsay Shepherd. If travel constraints permit, Jordan Peterson says he will be present to cheer us on. He explains why he thinks our event is important in this video."

nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-one-womans-journey-from-social-justice-warrior-to-free-speech-champion

Morgane Oger is campaigning to shut down a rape crisis centre in
UglyCathKidstonBag · 15/07/2018 20:44

This is vomit inducing.

LaylaAlexandrovna · 15/07/2018 21:18

Here's what MO did just a few short months after starting to take female hormones: www.feministcurrent.com/tag/montreal-massacre-memorial/

Ereshkigal · 15/07/2018 22:04

What did he do Layla? I know TRAs have minimised it.

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 01:22

The VRR situation is an important lesson in Herstory - and a very good 'answer' to the conciliation type of comments that we see here on threads with some regularity, as to why won't you be nice and give them an inch?

At the beginning, VRR were being 'inclusive', by taking on Nixon as a (transsexual) client (the victim of a male partner, and transsexual was the term used in the various court documents). Nixon was told that ANY client had to wait a minimum of a year before being accepted into volunteer/peer counsellor training. Nixon fronted up the next month, and was persistent. Nixon did apparently complete the training a year later.

But if I read into the documents correctly, I don't think transsexual exclusion was their initial reason (otherwise, would not have even been accepted into the BWSS training, let alone completed it). See page 6 here. There are some 'troubling' assumptions (sex/gender etc) by various parties in that document.. Perhaps VRR were trying to 'be nice' and find a way to exclude Nixon on (unsuitable) personality traits? That was my take on it. Because if that was VRR's real reason, it was a hunch proven true with the following 10 years of litigation.

You can read the timeline of events here.

Also see here for final summary.

The way I view this, was a bit of an 'own goal' for trans(sexuals/genders). In the beginning TS were very much accepted 'as women' (or at least, perhaps a 'type of woman'?), and were included, not just as clients, but as potential counsellors. But the litigiousness and lack of respect of women's boundaries crystalised VRR's position into 'born women only'.

I am not sure if VRR do still take on TS/TG clients, but they certainly were forced into drawing a line for counselling positions within the organisation.

Of course, individuals such as "The Ogre" have never stopped harassing the organisation to this day, including disrupting protesting fund raising events (like, what kind of people would 'protest' a charity's fund raising?)

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