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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guess how I got suspended from the Labour Party?

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IAmDavidLewis · 22/05/2018 23:17

Well, one of the weirdest days in my life concluded with me receiving a letter informing me of my immediate suspension from the Labour Party. They believe I may have breached the rules by subverting the intention of All Women Shortlists, Women’s Officers or minimum quotas for women. Unfortunately, this does mean that my political ambitions are on hold for a while. I shall of course be continuing to self-identify as a woman every Wednesday, as that is my gender identity...

I have to say a huge thanks to @namechangeah for all her help, guidance and, more importantly, proof-reading! I wouldn’t have gotten to this point without it. I’d also like to thank everyone for their support today. I hope this has helped a bit.

And the Telegraph called me an “activist”! Achievement unlocked Grin

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SimonBridges · 23/05/2018 18:30

I’ve not read the full thread but I just wanted to say thank you.

Sadly we still live in a world where it takes men saying something for men to take notice.

drspouse · 23/05/2018 18:31

Would you like to become a Guide leader instead?
We're all told it's only an hour and a half a week so you can EASILY fit that in on a Weds.

Ireneony · 23/05/2018 18:35

All excellent points being raised here about how it is our biology that brings females together as we all share in the highs and lows of what it is to be female. Nationality, religion, class, wealth, through all of those differences we find common ground in our biology. What do females and transwomen actually share that transcends everything else?

Throughout this debate I don't think I've come across any Trans activists or allies who get this. They're so caught up in Identity politics they are blind to the obvious. And they claim to know better than anyone what a woman is! The irony.

GreasyFryUp · 23/05/2018 18:40

I've even reading the MN posts on this issue from the sidelines completely unaware of the Self ID issue before then. Thanks for your action in doing this it's given me something to wave a red flag about on Facebook in the hope that similarly ignorant friends start to take an interest.

Well done.

Ereshkigal · 23/05/2018 18:43

Sadly we still live in a world where it takes men saying something for men to take notice.

This is it.

Pratchet · 23/05/2018 18:51

did someone link to Times already

Pratchet · 23/05/2018 18:52

sigh

dudsville · 23/05/2018 19:04

I like your work David.

boatyardblues · 23/05/2018 19:11

James Kirkup is doing sterling work at the mo. Such clearly articulated arguments and unshowy exposition of the gaps in current thinking. ⭐️ and a 🍺

ScarletBegonias · 23/05/2018 19:38

The comments below the piece in The Times are encouraging.

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/05/2018 19:46

Any chance of a share token? Can only read the first few lines.

Times comments are generally sensible I find. After I’ve read the Guardian ones I feel like I need to be autoclaved ...

spontaneousgiventime · 23/05/2018 19:54

If I knew how to post with a share token I would.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2018 19:55

‘Woman on Wednesdays’ activist suspended

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bdc4770e-5ea0-11e8-a5a8-017dcfd37dc1

Hm, that doesn't look like a sharetoken. The piece is new, I don't think it's in the main app version I usually use, that's from the mobile version.

EmpressOfSpartacus · 23/05/2018 19:58

Errol, I get sharetokens by clicking the share by email icon, then copying & pasting the link from there, if that helps.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2018 19:59

It'll probably be in tomorrow's edition.

Meanwhile, a richly deserved suspension

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-suspend-local-party-chairman-over-emily-thornberry-beheading-tweets-rlwzk3wm8?shareToken=88c9bd195e395e518463bb3831dc9d67

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2018 20:00

That's what I did, it's evidently different link in mobile v app for some reason. Or maybe because it's new.

Bowlofbabelfish · 23/05/2018 20:00

Thank you! Can read it now.

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2018 20:06

Oh, I missed that you'd got a working one, no idea why mine was different. Never mind!

ChattyLion · 23/05/2018 20:08

Gaahhhh.... David Lewis really hasn’t ‘abused’ or ‘misused’ anything at all. He has played exactly by the self-ID rules.
The Rules ARE THE PROBLEM, not him.
Self ID-ing is exactly and only that.
Clue’s in the name, outraged Labour Party people. DL’s motivations for self ID are completely irrelevant and unknowable by anyone else. Thats why self ID such a shit, dangerous idea especially when it puts men into women’s spaces, opportunities for representation etc etc. Like I don’t know, being a political party Women’s Officer.
HTH Labour.

spontaneousgiventime · 23/05/2018 20:08

Oh, someone beat me to it. I've just bought a subscription so this was my first share.

SupermatchGame · 23/05/2018 20:08

Thing is Mr Lewis, you know you don't have a female gender identity.

I know you don't have a female gender identity.
Everyone on this forum knows you don't have a female gender identity.
The Labour party knows you don't have a female gender identity.

In the real world everyone knows you don't have a female gender identity, because there aren't actually any men or fake trans women applying to be on Labour all women shortlists. It only happens in your bizarrely constructed world of transphobia.

You have however succeeded in doing two things:

  1. You have prompted the Labour party to clarify that genuine trans women, with or without a GRC, are welcome to stand on AW shortlists.
  1. You may have ended your career. Assuming you had one.

So not entirely a waste then.
(With reference to point 1 of course).

boatyardblues · 23/05/2018 20:11

You sound quite cross SuperMatchGame.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 23/05/2018 20:12

because there aren't actually any men or fake trans women applying to be on Labour all women shortlists

Objectively, how can you tell if someone is a fake transwoman or a real transwoman?

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