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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Been out. It's not pretty out there. My feminist views are challenged tonight.

345 replies

dummad · 27/01/2013 01:22

Hello, just a quickie coz I'm a bit drunk.

I've been out tonight in a bar in town - a trendy bar. Getting to the point, I'm disappointed ladies. I'm disappointed in what I've seen. Why do young women stand around dressed up like a dog's dinners looking bored out of their minds out of choice? I'm trying very hard not to think it, but I'm on the slippery slope of thinking women don't help themselves be taken seriously when they portray themselves the way they do. I know it's about choice and whatnot, but why CHOOSE to look like little fuck toys if you don't have to? Sorry. I just find it difficult to fly the feminist flag after what I've seen tonight. It's like young women don't give a flying toss about being empowered. They all look the same - tarty, vacuous and vacant. ALL of them. Hundreds of them. There wasn't one young lady in the place tonight without a horrendously short skirt on and killer heals. One group got out of the taxi and had garters tattood around her upper thigh. The men in the queue outside hardly batted an eyelid but one was there making sort of animal gestures to them like he was in a zoo. Maybe that's the sort of reaction these girls wanted.

In the bar guys couldn't even be bothered to approach the women by the looks of it. For two hours we were in there and I didn't see any notable, interaction between the sexes. Of course you'll never get a guy complaining about the way the girls look - they just lap it all up from a distance - it's all just laid out for them and saves the entry fee into the local lap dancing club I guess. They don't give a shit. Sluttier the better in their view. Why the hell don't women today backlash against it? I'd understand if it were a few of them like that but it was all of them. I'm sure they're intelligent, well bought up girls as well. So can't blame it on ignorance/ upbringing or whatever. They are a fucking disgrace.

You know what - I want you to put me right. I want you to tell me I'm wrong and there is hope and that women are aspiring for empowerment and campaign that they are respected as equals. It's up to them isn't it? They are the next generation after all. Don't they honestly care about their place in society? Don't they want to improve things like misrepresentation in the media and violence against women and lower wages etc? Don't they want to be taken seriously? Is this what has happened when women are contented? Is this what we choose to be by default? If so, it's no wonder men look down on us.

OP posts:
LineRunner · 27/01/2013 19:41

All these exclamation marks are hurting my mind. Are they necessary?

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 19:41

Slam? Or disagree?

I'm jealous of no-one, Saidwho. I just find it incredibly said that the Madonna whore dichotomy is alive and well and being played out by feminists.

VBisme · 27/01/2013 19:41

How else will they attract a higher earning male who can look after them for life?

(Sorry - still annoyed from the "our daughters should snag a rich husband" thread).

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 19:42

I bought some new socks earlier, now I can't find them. I wonder where they could be?!

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 19:43

"Shame other spiteful women on here just want to slam OP"

yes that's what it is. we just dont like the OP. it couldn't possibly be because we believe what we actually say, could it? Hmm

LineRunner · 27/01/2013 19:45

Socks often turn up all over the place, Saskia, when you most least expect it.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 19:45

LineRunner yes, the !!! is necessary - the more ! you use, the more true something is. Fact.

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 19:46

Could your sock be on someone's hand, Saskia? They often lurk there, the cheeky blighters.

Mitchy1nge · 27/01/2013 19:46

are they pretty ladylike sock puppets saskia?

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 19:47

i do beleive MN has it's very own sockreturningpixie Grin

LineRunner · 27/01/2013 19:47

Is this the bit where all the feminists have to hang their heads in shame for not being pretty enough and not respecting dentists and pilots sufficiently as husbands?

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 19:47

i also believe that believe should be spelt correctly Blush

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 19:49

doh!

Lampon · 27/01/2013 19:51

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SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 19:52

Mitchy1nge Oh yes, very dainty and pink, not like those big, gnarly men socks.

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 19:55

Lampon I have no interest in men who think that the way I dress reflects my personality/intelligence/classiness.

In fact, I use judgementalness as a way of weeding out the twats I want nothing to do with.

A career guy? Big wow. Someone who has a job, whoop de doo. I have a job, I don't need anyone else's money.

LurcioLovesFrankie · 27/01/2013 19:55

Mitchy, just a quick update- had lovely steak and chips and v. nice salad for tea. Was wearing purple socks. Did not manage to snag a rich husband.

Booyhoo · 27/01/2013 19:55

oh this is turning into a joke.

how many socks have you lost saskia?

JustAHolyFool · 27/01/2013 19:55

Saskia, I hope those socks cover your hand all the way down? Not like those disgusting slutty trainer socks, simply hideous.

SaskiaRembrandtVampireHunter · 27/01/2013 19:56

And of course, my mobile phone cover looks like this. Dainty, and pink, and covered in pwetty flowers. I like them, 'cause I'm a proper girl.

Mitchy1nge · 27/01/2013 19:56

it's true actually

I wish a dentist thought I was elegantly dressed :(

oh do Norwegian dentists count?

Mitchy1nge · 27/01/2013 19:59

bit reckless eating twice in one day lurcio? Aren't you worried about filling your ladylike clothes a bit too well?

LineRunner · 27/01/2013 20:01

A career guy? Yes how jealous we are, because feminists normally have to settle for unemployed ratboys.

AbigailAdams · 27/01/2013 20:04

LineRunner we need career guys though, because we can't have our own careers you know, being women and all!

Redbindy · 27/01/2013 20:06

Justaholyfool - It' not just men who will judge you on the way you dress.