Ham pr disasters 64! …….Prince Charming…Prince Charming…..ridicule is nothing to be scared of ! …..

[jeffgoldblum]

A lack of humour and self reflection is not helping.

Let's wait for the trial to look at all the evidence, shall we? assuming there'll even be one after the media apparently trampled all over the chain of evidence.

There's a great quote I read once (about Clinton) - 'even the biggest asshole is entitled to due process.' That's equally applicable to Thomas Markle, whatever you think of him.

I am interested in Meghan’s murky past, but think some stories are preposterous as, like the faked moon landings, you would have to silence untold numbers of people. If she had married, the husband would surely have popped up with his story for sale. Likewise Doria in jail: no old cellmates looking for cash?

Doria’s missing years are shrouded in mystery, and M has told some really tall tales, but I think the pair are liars, cheats and general grifters rather than concealing explosive hidden pasts.

I agree it’s for a jury to look at the evidence, and I’m all for innocent until proven guilty. But it’s so unlikely that someone got into his two lockups, planted fake sexually explicit photographs of him with prepubescent girls, and also planted a large hoard of incriminating material in the Philippines, that it’s looking pretty obvious he’s guilty.

(Edited to add detail.)

Nah, that's one person who probably forgot about the Lord Chamberlain's letter or never read it. It's just someone fawning.

Yes, I agree with you. Her birth date must be accurate, her only previous marriage was to Trevor Engelson and she didn't have a baby before Archie.
I think she's lied about a lot of stuff and it leads to questions, but I think it gets into the realms of the fantastic. Doria left her with Thomas, probably just to do her own thing, either personally or professionally.

I’m a tad uncomfortable with this line of rumours, that doesn’t seem a particularly credible source either and I’m not going to click on it , if Samantha wanted to spread these accusations surely she would have used her sm accounts to do so , there is ample evidence that Meghan is exactly the age she said she is .

Honestly I think all bets are off with what is and isn't the truth. It's too much. I wonder if an 'investigative reporter' will decided to waste spend months of their life trying to sort the facts from the lies (ham lies and media lies) from the truth (ham truth and media truth). It'd be a task.

Absolutely 💯

FFS, could you look up and read about chain of evidence? the media broke into lockups allegedly containing material. They don't have to have planted anything, but the police now cannot assume that that hasn't happened; which is why when a crime is committed (or alleged to have been committed) they keep the public away from the site and ask people not to interfere with things to preserve the integrity of evidence relevant to that crime. Stuff could have been planted, removed or it might not....there's now no way of knowing.

As as for I’m all for innocent until proven guilty - you could have fooled me. (It's presumed innocent, BTW). Put the pitchfork and flaming torches down.

It's not credible I don't think, as I said the timelines don't match at all and you'd think the most basic thing of getting someone's age correct would be included in an "investigative" article. I think the actual, tangible stuff that Meghan has done/said is enough to show her up tbh.

I always think of the phrase "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt" when it comes to HaM.

It doesn't matter if it's "unlikely". Would you like to be convicted on a "likelihood" or firm evidence?
I saw pictures of a tabloid journalist and Markle jnr with some boxes. That evidence could easily have been tampered with.
A person is innocent until being proven guilty, otherwise we're back to mob rule.

There is nothing in news reports to say that reporters had access to either of the two LA lock-ups rented by Thomas Markle Senior. It is the Philippines hoard that Thomas Markle Junior was photographed with. It is the LA material that contains sexually explicit photographs of TMS with pre-pubescent girls.

https://abcnews.com/GMA/News/meghan-markles-father-thomas-markle-sr-arrested-fbi/story?id=137912305

https://www.foxla.com/news/meghan-markle-father-thomas-arrested-federal-charges

I do agree @Lifestooshort71 . Some situations are outside the 'norm', whatever that may be, and Remembrance Day services are deeply personal events bringing together people who have experienced things in protecting their country in a theatre of war that the general public cannot begin to imagine. I am not Harry's greatest fan, but I cannot criticise Harry for handshaking at a memorial service; he was there, I was not.

There is a disconnect between being 'all for innocent until proven guilty', and stating of someone 'who is obviously guilty' before trial.

As I understand it, the law in the US remains as in the UK, which is that a person is presumed innocent and is entitled to a fair trial.

With regard to contamination of evidence, that is a real concern, particularly in the case of the material in the Philippines.
What I would say is that the media do not always report everything that happens. Reading the DM account of the discovery of the lock-ups, I was struck by a rather disjointed timeline, with several disconnected times mentioned.
Given that the DM is renowned for having a very good legal department, I would not be surprised if the authorities were present when they first opened the lock-ups.

I've made my point and I'm not going to repeat it.
A person is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Not a court of the tabloid press or social media.

Well, that's for the legal teams isn't it?
I'm just as repulsed by this as anyone else, but my disgust shouldn't convict someone. Proper evidence should.

Thank you @jeffgoldblum.

In my opinion, there is plenty to discuss in H&M's PR issues without heading into some of the more lurid suggestions on the internet (there are plenty).

I think most people thought the evidence against OJ Simpson was incontrovertible....

Yes, we are in agreement.

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Absolutely 💯

Quite.. Thank goodness for the independent legal system..

What? I don't think a poppy on a bumper means they are claiming to be thoughtful and kind.

It just means they support the RBL.

Thanks, @jeffgoldblum.

Having been of the opinion TMS was being set up by TMJ, I'm now firmly on the fence of due legal process because speculation is wearing and pointless - for me, at least. Either way, the media is in for a clickbait bonanza.

What I am mulling over, though, is why Harry felt the need to show his face in Brackley yesterday. I can't think it was for any other reason than a cack-handed attempt to regain some public approbation, especially with the professional photographer on hand.

H needs to stay relevant