Ham pr disasters 64! …….Prince Charming…Prince Charming…..ridicule is nothing to be scared of ! …..

[jeffgoldblum]

A lack of humour and self reflection is not helping.

I thought Harry looked exhausted in the Remembrance Sunday photographs.

I'm not at all sure I'd believe no vetting at all. Blimey, royal and government employees are vetted, families are vetted depending on employment level. Surely discreet enquiries would be made for a royal spouse who would, after all, be in proximity to the HoS and those in line of succession.

Grey low autumn light does no-one any favours.

Gotta keep grifting I guess

MM is very awkward socially. She obviously doesnt know what to do with herself, how to position her hands or what to say, or when to not say anything. So she does a weird performance of being social. Seal clapping, hugging, blinking, exaggerated facial expressions and random chatting to no one.

Her habit of hugging is I think a learned 'skill' to structure an interaction. She has something to do and can follow a little routine. Without this she is lost.

I have some sympathy when I watch hre floundering and pretending to make small talk, as I am also terrible at small talk and social interaction. I don't know what to say or do and recognise that feeling of being a bit lost and awkwardly trying to 'chat'.

But I don't pursue a job or fame where I'm choosing to do this over and over under scrutiny. I think she lacks the self awareness to know how badly she comes across. She just thinks: I come across as warm because I hug and blink a lot.

Every speech they make is described as keynote !

I suspect Meghan's vetting was as thorough as for any other proposed Royal family member. Unfortunately Harry was in no mood to listen, and there probably wasn't a glaring security issue.

Government vetting hasn't been great recently ...

Emm , H’s grandmother . M is the only one allowed a title .

I steeled myself and watched the speech. Was he paid? If so, from which budget. Now he is to be the godfather of a campaign to protect children from online harms.

Odd positioning. UK royals do not comment on legislation. And the UK is nolonger a member of the EU.

I'm sure he was paid. Why else would he do it? For publicity I guess and it's a "rival court"

Harry has looked rough for a couple of years. He's not aging well. He's getting a puffy face and a spreading nose. His eyes have always been too close together and that is getting accentuated by the widening lower face.
And his hair is just grim old man fluff at this point.

A least he's got the beard which conceals his too small mouth.

When he was young be was tall lean and smiley which all gave him youthful charm. now he is miserable and self absorbed he cant get away with much.

He is still tall and lean though. I'll give him that.

I honestly dont think that if harry knew, he would have actively lied about the cause of their estrangement for years. He is even on record saying that he is to blame. He would have known it would all come to light eventually and I dont think he is quite that stupid. I think he wasnt told because meghan didnt want anything that could potentially jeopardize her "getting the bag". Im sure its been a big shock for him to find this out

I believe I heard that too. And I'm sure the value has risen.

Just for shits and giggles and because I'm having a boring morning, it was listed at $16,975,000 when they bought it. I believe it actually sold for between 14-16m. It was sold 'off listings' so the sale price isn't public. We'll figure they did the US normal of 20% down and a 30yr 'conventional' mortgage. That's a loan of $12,800,000. 2020 average interest in 2020 was around 3%. If they've owned the house for 6 years that 'amortizes' out to having paid just $2,304,000 on the principal leaving an outstanding balance of $10,496,000m.

Zillow lists current value at $23.11M - $41.29M, however I've found that Zillow overinflates values. So, we'll take the lower end and figure a current value of 25m. Less the outstanding loan, that would give them $14.5m or £10.84m from the sale of Montecito to purchase a new place in the UK. T

It's said that M must have at least 9 bedrooms and obviously they're going to want 'acreage'. Will ~ £11m buy her what she wants in the location she wants it? I have no idea what mansions in the 'chi chi' area of the Cotswolds are going for these days. And having no idea how UK home loans work, I wonder what amount they could borrow with an £11m down payment.

I know. Wouldn't we all love to have the problem of 'only' having £10-11m 'cash' with which to do our house hunting. Sigh. How the 'other half' lives, eh?

I know that it’s off topic but Meg hasn’t worn her engagement now for a while .
I always feel that everything she does it’s for a reason , she doesn’t hide it .

Is it my imagination or is Harry a bit distant with Meghan ? Normally he defers to her but it doesn’t look it in the video I have just watched .

Harry and lying go hand in hand. Him saying it's his fault she lost her father gives the whole "poor Meg sacrificed so much" blah blah. He's probably just hungover today. Belgian beer is not for the faint hearted

How did Meghan manage to spin it to Harry that he was to blame? He’d never even been introduced to Thomas Snr, and she convinced him that the was his (Harry’s) fault that her Dad had to be cut from their lives?
I find it mystifying.

Next question. Will there be a second HaM appearance in Brussels to mark Remembrance Day? It was rumoured last week that there would be.

He has a bit of the look of the 8th Earl Spencer about him - his grandfather, not his uncle. He didn't age particularly well.

I felt a twang of empathy with his constant tummy touching.

I don’t get heartbroken. Any horrible shock or uneasy sense of betrayal hits me in the guts.

When I read her initial statement my first thought was if you remove the formality it reads like a person explaining “what happened, when and why” to a spouse or mate.

Anyone calls me frail they better look out. Ditto 'sprightly' - although I think I've got about 15 years before that one starts.

Never in doubt

My dad used to use the expression 'dumb like a fox' meaning someone who is appearing stupid in a situation but whose mind is rapidly conniving a way out to their own advantage. Foxes do have a natural cunning. A particularly apt saying for H. You know, Harry the 'Fox'.

AFAIK, no one has specifically said that he has seen the initial Loveless letter, so if true he has 'PD' for that. And I believe no one has said he specifically saw the 2025 letter M sent to her father, although he would know of its existence. I realize it's highly unlikely he didn't see those letters, but until someone pipes up and says 'Oh yes he did!!!' he has PD.

So as far as H's silence, IMHO he's keeping 'plausible deniability' (PD). And if I were him, I'd keep that PD as long as I could. It would give the ability to manoeuver and change the narrative if need be. Or to dump everything on M should he decide to do so to save his own arse.

Maybe what they meant is that Harry was told by RF that she had to cut TM loose in order to marry him? So therefore she gave up her dad / family for Harry? But they couldn’t actually mention the real reason.

I do feel for Meghan somewhat, nobody wants their dad to be that guy. Think of the kids of the high profile men in the news right now for sex-offences. One’s going to jail, the other is all over the media, Internet…

IMO, they both knew about letter in 2019 but used the spin "because of me, she has no father" or whatever shite he spun. They both decided on this narrative