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[jeffgoldblum]

A lack of humour and self reflection is not helping.

There was no way for DB to hide his participation in that very public situation, and he probably wanted to be seen honouring the latecqueen.

Very different from this situation with H, where privacy was anmoption, but he got his new mates at The Sun to pap him.

I was aware some of my school year were leaving at 16, and also that not all those in my 6th form were going to university. I think we all existed in a bit of a fog then, because getting contextual information would have meant visiting a library and taking notes. Aristocratic families in the 1970s still saw daughters primarily as marriage fodder so even had Diana been academically bright, I doubt university would have been the first consideration, unless she had pushed for it herself.

He’s creeping towards having the upper hand when it comes to where the children reside. Particularly in light of the announcement that Cali Christmas is cancelled, and Brit Christmas has replaced it.

That move (accidentally or on purpose) means the children will be in Britain right on the cusp of becoming habitually resident there.

It’s not a comfortable subject, but many spouses have (consciously or sub-consciously) prioritised peace in the marriage above fighting for their personal preferences when they were on a sticky wicket as the foreign parent in their children’s home.

When that “balance of power” see-saws in the other direction a previously compliant spouse can become more assertive, confident they won’t have to chose between living in their natural habitat, and living in the same country as their children.

My own marriage has not been rocky, just the typical rough spots when sandwiched between aging parents and small kiddo. Certainly it hasn’t faced the stresses and strains the Sussex marriage has had to weather. But all the same as DS slid past mid teens I felt something inside of me start to unclench a little. And when he turned 18 I completely exhaled. Just from the sheer relief I would never have to face awful surprises I’ve watched colleagues and acquaintances face over the decades.

What is the issue here, though? Either the material is authentic or it is fake/doctored. If it's authentic, then it's a crime to create/possess it in the US. Any images with Markle Sr would certainly have been in his possession and perhaps created by him. The only issue I can see is if the material was created or possessed by Markle Sr in a jurisdiction where such material is legal and he kept it in storage in such a jurisdiction, then someone removed it and took it to the US and placed it in the storage units there in an attempt to frame him. That would be quite something, though.

If these images were in his possesion and he did put them in storage in the US, then I'm not sure how much it really matters whether other people rummaged around in the storage unit. I'm not sure what the legal situation is in the Philippines or Mexico with the possession/creation of such material, but it is likely to be similar today.

The chain of evidence applies once law enforcement investigators access the material, not what happens to it beforehand. The only question really is whether the material is authentic or not, and forensics investigators don't need to know exactly who last touched it to determine that.

You only had to get 2 Es - 2 A level passes - to get into Oxbridge at that time. They had their own entrance exam and interview process.

Not true, at all. Both my parents went to uni a that time. Mid 60's. Neither went to private school. Both working class. The big difference to today - accessibility to a local Grammar School. They each went to a grammas school near where they lived. Not possible in today's Labour everybody must be equally shit, society.

Absolutely. So that poster is wrong, he wouldn't have taken a place from a "working class kid who got the grades".

Some of the most critical and verging on gossipy reporting on them has been by the Australian media.

Experiences vary. My mother left school at 14. I was the first of our family to go to University. This was in the 1970s. High school system before comprehensives.

Think of all the money we could save on having a judicial system. We could just ask that poster to run their eye over the evidence on SM and job done.

We might need to build a lot more prisons, of course.

The other thing to consider is these days with so many at uni there has been ‘qualification inflation’ by employers with many requiring degrees where degree were not previously required. In the past it was much more common to work your way up the workplace, learning technical aspects of your craft in the workplace and possibly taking professional exams.

The prosecution has to prove its case beyond reasonable doubt. Those photos are enough to prove its case. How is there reasonable doubt about it if there is no convincing alternative explanation? Either it’s him in the photos, or there’s another explanation that’s good enough to cause doubt that it’s him, or that they are genuine.

The fact remains thousands of w/c kids (m and f) went to grammar school then uni, at that time (of KC being at uni), certainly not all 'male private school kids' as pp asserted. Until the removal of most grammar schools stopped that easy social mobility

Yes. Thanks Blair,

This, I went to uni early 1970s, single parent household and state schooled. Plenty of women where I studied, both in arts and sciences.

Evidence attested by federal law enforcement authorities in a court affidavit and reported in the mainstream press. I don’t go by social media.

@IdaGlossop , I would have been a very similar intake to university to you & I went to a good one 😉. I count myself fortunate that my parents thought daughters should go to university just as much as sons. Not everyone did. A good friend of mine , her grandma tried to persuade her parents it was a waste of time her going to University . She ended up as a director of a global investment bank 😂 I think it is now generally recognised KC wouldn't have had a place at Cambridge under current admission requirements ( I could google it but I think a cambridge professor is on record as saying that.) But I suppose at the time he was one generation on from private tutors etc. Anyway - that time has passed. I wasn't an heiress , so had to shift for myself. I'm happy with how it's worked out so far 😂I hadn't thought about it until a few years ago , but my school ( girls ) we had an elocution lesson once a week. Bonkers.

Also to @twosmallaxolotls , I do count myself privileged my parent were big on education. Not all my friend's parents were.

Re H&M , if H wants his children to attend a public , or independent school run along public school lines , then they need to think longer term. Not impossible for them to move elsewhere and come back but they will need to be up with the curriculum,. Boys , usually entry 13 , girls , normally 11 so probably 5 - 6 years before entry. and a year before for interviews / exams etc. Which is why I'm sceptical about them flouncing again if this is their reason (school) for coming back. They can't back and forth too much.

Sorry for long post ( and for bit of a derail @jeffgoldblum 💐)

The only issue I can see is if the material was created or possessed by Markle Sr in a jurisdiction where such material is legal and he kept it in storage in such a jurisdiction, then someone removed it and took it to the US and placed it in the storage units there in an attempt to frame him. That would be quite something, though.

It would be perfectly possible to do this so if doubt could be cast on this it could undermine the case. However, the US has some laws that they apply to Americans in other countries even if local laws differ - including laws concerning CSA. They may not be able to extradite in those situations but if that American returned to America then they could be prosecuted.

No this is not correct either. Toby Young got in on a scheme that was specially devised by a small group of Oxford colleges to target pupils at inner London state comprehensives in 1970s/early 80s. (At the time London comps were pretty shit - lots of strikes and idealistic teachers running the “comprehensive model” of lowest common denominator.) Pupils at the targeted schools were given their own entrance route, avoiding the much harder Oxbridge entrance exams. It was mainly for PPE (no prior knowledge needed). The Milliband brothers got in on the same access scheme - although they never seem to mention this….

So once again a few schools gaining privileged access…

And that's why you have a trial - to examine the evidence and determine that, rather than someone on SM going 'oh the photos are enough.' Also because you don't know what other evidence there might be.

Bloody hell. William Garrow must be turning in his grave. Please don't ever sit on a jury.

You are only privy to the information published, not the entire prosecution and defence case. I believe TM has entered a not guilty plea, therefore, unless he is deemed not fit for trial then the entire case will be heard, until then your statements are incorrect.

As unpalatable as it may seem to you the photos do not prove the case, a defence lawyer may be able to prove otherwise.

if H wants his children to attend a public , or independent school run along public school lines

Not sure whether you mean public school here to mean a public school ie a private school, or a state school?

Head ➡️ desk.

I know it’s never been a fair world and isn’t even now. Charles got much (much) lower grades than me and most likely much lower than Roger from Wigan too!

Charles did A levels in 1967 when far fewer students took A levels or went to university - therefore less competition for places - and the scoring system was completely different. The average Alevel grades at this time were D/E. So if ypu and R from W took A levels more recently than KC then yes you'd probably both have higher grades 😃