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[jeffgoldblum]

A lack of humour and self reflection is not helping.

You could certainly get in based on what school you went to as well. I know someone who got in because his father was friends with the College Master. This person got lower grades than me.

Charles got a B and a C btw ….. and one was History ironically enough. The other was French.
Tbf he had such a miserable time at school it possibly affected his grades.

I agree. It is not as if anyone was saying ‘well we thought about making him king but decided he didn’t have the grades for it’. And Oxbridge’s teaching style was very different to your standard polytechnic - you don’t just sit in lectures, you have regular intensive 1:1 or 1:2 tutorials where you are asked questions and challenged on your thinking - something that would be very important for a future king.

Far fewer young people went to university when Charles went and Oxbridge had entrance exams - c.10%. Even in 1979, UCL offered me two EEs, the baseline for matriculation, because the English department then had its own entry process (a written submission on your reading to sift for invitation to interview, then a critical commentary test on unseen texts on the day of the interview). Presumably Charles had an interview of sorts just to check out that he would be up to the level of discussion needed.

I find those choice of words not great tbh - why mention he didn't make any special requests and use HRH? I expect the RBL may have had a "request" to include certain phrases in their reporting.

Happy for Harry to attend the event but do not believe in coincidences it was The Sun with the photographs. I also think it is perfectly possible for Harry to have attended an event and there be no photographs.

Announce in advance you are attending a "private" event, have a photographer from a tabloid newspaper which you are currently linked with, ensure those photos are printed alongside ones of KC and William at the Cenotaph - it all smells a little iffy to me!

Thanks @jeffgoldblum for the new thread.

I know it’s never been a fair world and isn’t even now. Charles got much (much) lower grades than me and most likely much lower than Roger from Wigan too! 🤣

Oh that’s gloriously mad. And totally why I try my best to keep up with these threads.

That's not my point

Or the OP just went back and edited - which is far more likely.

Thanks for new thread Jeff xx

In those days there were some reserved places for certain public schools at certain colleges. Why not if they provided an endowment I suppose. I can’t help thinking things have swung rather too far the other way now. And my dcs went to an ordinary comp so I’ve no skin in the public school game!

Yes, 1969 was a very different time for university entry! I went later, but only 8% of women went to university when I did. The set offers were baseline, confirmed by interview and school reference.

Neither you, nor Roger, were going to be king though. Rather odd to be complaining that the first in line to the throne is treated differently from Roger.

OK, maybe ‘obviously guilty’ is a touch strong. I will take it back and say ‘very probably guilty.’

I think two things are true:

1. Everyone should have a fair trial
2. There is very strong evidence against TMS, and if the case comes to trial, unless a convincing alternative explanation of that evidence emerges, he will be found guilty. (Barring a perverse jury decision - they do occur.)

I'd never thought about how many women went when I did in 1979. 6%. If only I had realised in 1979 that we were so few, I might have thought differently about what was possible afterwards!

There doesn’t need to be a convincing alternative explanation, there just needs to be reasonable doubt

I rather like Charles. He is always impeccably dressed and exudes an air of old fashioned courtesy. Whether he writes his speeches himself or not, he delivers them well. He has various interests and seems to be well rounded.I think the late Queen was a hard act to follow but despite his health he’s doing well.So what if he loses his temper, I’d rather that than a sulker! I think he doesn’t suffer fools gladly.
I’d like to see HAM taken to task more firmly as I think they get away with too much, but the current position does seem to be working.
Charles is a quintessential British gentleman.

This ⬆️. It's the rule of law.
What happens in dictatorships and theocracies etc? They suspend the rule of law and the right to a fair trial.

Yes, a lot of people don't realise that most people were leaving school at 16.
People infantilise Diana as "a teenager" , but most young women her age would have been in work.

You have to remember that the entrance exam counted for more than A levels for Oxbridge. I am a year younger than Charles and knew loads of people who had two E offers. Good rugby players especially.

Agreed.

The past was another country etc,

As I recall it from the early 70's the one or two real stars from my six form who went to Oxbridge were heavily coached, then passed the entrance exams and interviews.

Their eventual A level grades were TBF also very good, though I suspect almost irrelevant.

Thanks.

We have a day when the nation solemnises remembrance, and there are symbols associated with that act of remembrance - the Tommy and the poppy.

Having a poppy on your car all year round is, to me, disrespectful.

And the Tommies outside Londis and on the A4 roundabout all year round cheapen the otherwise very powerful symbol of sacrifice. It is only a matter of time until someone crochets a Santa hat for the Tommies.

Which means Harry has regained (in part) his balls?
Trouble afoot at home if he starts putting his foot down in other areas!

Yes, worth noting when you see all those posts about what a privileged generation some of us came from. University was only attainable for a minority, mostly men and mostly privately educated.

The Australuan press overlooked the sexual assault by H on one of their lifeguards.

He wasn't invited to a celebrity party this year. If he was, HAM would have been there