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HaM PR disasters 43: AI crashes but amethyst flashes

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bluegreygreen · 23/09/2026 22:36

Hope no-one minds that I started this one...

Continuing the saga of Sussex PR disasters.

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AlexandraCarrington · Yesterday 15:07

Who had such well researched and reliable information sources that he claimed the late Queen's coffin was returning to England by train.

In fairness, that was the original plan. It was changed because of the disruption it would cause to scheduled services and because of safety fears - that people might get too close to the track taking photos.

Scoble is a pipsqueak, though.

But especially considering he served in the Military (and you could argue he’s the only one deserving of his medals).

Andrew earned his Falkland campaign medal.

And Philip earned his WW2 medals.

(I remember a post from some years back - 'Why does Philip have all those medals? What war did he fight in?)

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:09

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:06

I'm absolutely baffled as to why anyone would defend Harry!
Why do you think that happens, @GunnelVallquist?

I can only answer this by coming at it from my own angle (if you look up my username you will see that I have a history of poor mental health)

Look, I don’t want to get into any arguments; if I overstepped, I apologise again…I just felt sorry for them because they always seem to be in the firing line.

This will be my last post on the matter, do either accept my apology or don’t.

It makes no difference to me.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:11

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:09

I can only answer this by coming at it from my own angle (if you look up my username you will see that I have a history of poor mental health)

Look, I don’t want to get into any arguments; if I overstepped, I apologise again…I just felt sorry for them because they always seem to be in the firing line.

This will be my last post on the matter, do either accept my apology or don’t.

It makes no difference to me.

There's no need to apologise, I was just curious as to how on earth you can defend someone like Harry!
Your choice.

LaBarucci · Yesterday 15:11

WilliamsExtraSausage · Yesterday 09:51

i always associate the name Archie with the TV series Monarch of the Glen in which the stroppy second son inherits the vast Scottish stately pile and has to run it when he’s a Londoner at heart. What fun and japes it was n’t.

I've come late to the thread, but this jogged my memory about what HAM said about the choice of Archewell for their foundation and thus their firstborn's name Archie, its roots in an ancient Greek concept of profound wells of giving or some such. Gemini has set me straight on the subject

The name Archewell is built on the ancient Greek word Arch\bar (\alpha\rho\chi\acute{\eta).
In ancient Greek philosophy—pioneered by Pre-Socratic thinkers like Thales, Anaximander, and Heraclitus—Arch\bar represents the "first principle," "origin," or "source of action". It refers to the fundamental substance or ultimate cause from which everything originates and by which all else is governed.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex explained that this concept inspired both the name of their foundation and the name of their son, Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. They combined the Greek concept of arch\bar (meaning a "source of action") with the English word well ("a plentiful source or supply") to signify a "deep reservoir to draw upon."

Unfortunately Archewell seems to have petered out, as has any sort of coherent principle or "source of action" at all, evidently. I personally associate "Archie" with Archie Rice in John Osborne's The Entertainer, clearly considered by the playwright to be an appropriate name for a clapped out, somewhat desperate middle-aged guy with broken dreams hawking himself about the place.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:11

Multibarpack · Yesterday 15:07

Funny how whenever anyone shouts “be kind” it is always very one way.

Indeed 👍🏼

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:13

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:09

I can only answer this by coming at it from my own angle (if you look up my username you will see that I have a history of poor mental health)

Look, I don’t want to get into any arguments; if I overstepped, I apologise again…I just felt sorry for them because they always seem to be in the firing line.

This will be my last post on the matter, do either accept my apology or don’t.

It makes no difference to me.

Has it occurred to you that posters here have poor mental health too?
and accusing them of hate and spite because they are discussing the news about yet another ham fail isn’t “kind” !

notimagain · Yesterday 15:14

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 14:47

What did he do that deserves that much vitriol?

Especially when you think what he went through as a child.

I just don’t get the hate.

I’m sorry, as I said, I’m not British, so maybe I don’t understand.

But especially considering he served in the Military (and you could argue he’s the only one deserving of his medals).

specially considering he served in the Military (and you could argue he’s the only one deserving of his medals).

You may not like Andrew (I don't) but like everybody else who served in the Falklands campaign he is absolutely deserving of his South Atlantic Medal.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:14

jeffgoldblum · Yesterday 15:13

Has it occurred to you that posters here have poor mental health too?
and accusing them of hate and spite because they are discussing the news about yet another ham fail isn’t “kind” !

👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼 👏🏼

MajorSideEye · Yesterday 15:15

Starryfifty · Yesterday 09:04

Rob Schuter reporting that all contacts H reacted out to for Diana doc are closing the door for fear of rocking the boat with PW

I agree that they don’t want to upset KC and PW but c’mon if you were one of their old friends would you want to be involved with a H&M project?

I mean any H&M project never mind a very distasteful Diane’s death 30th anniversary one!!!

Lunde · Yesterday 15:16

Tabbytiger122 · Yesterday 06:44

Yep, it will be very hard to be bone fide royals if they hace American accents especially being called Archie & Lilibet.. they really messed up the names if they are hoping to now be proper royals again.
I am surprised Meghan didn't use Alexandra for Lili, it was apparently the name Kate really wanted for Charlotte but was vetoed as Charlotte is the female version of Charles

It was reported back in the 1980s that Diana's favourite boy's name that she wanted to use was "Oliver" (quite trendy at the time).

It had to be explained to her why that was a HUGE NO from the royal family.

MrsLeonFarrell · Yesterday 15:17

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:09

I can only answer this by coming at it from my own angle (if you look up my username you will see that I have a history of poor mental health)

Look, I don’t want to get into any arguments; if I overstepped, I apologise again…I just felt sorry for them because they always seem to be in the firing line.

This will be my last post on the matter, do either accept my apology or don’t.

It makes no difference to me.

On the off chance you see this post.

I'm sorry that you have mental health struggles, I can relate to that. I can see how suddenly coming across thread 43 on the same topic it might be hard to understand the background and context to criticism you read.

I can only speak for myself when I say I find Harry a fascinating case study in institutionalism and the refusal to learn from experience. He has not been kind to his family, to many people he wrote about in his book Spare, he has called the UK racist, and whilst I would hope that I would be kind to him in person, in the abstract space that is mumsnet I can say find him tone deaf and entitled.

He obviously has mental health struggles, and has had a lot of therapy. But that is an explanation for some of his behaviour, not an excuse for it.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:17

Lunde · Yesterday 15:16

It was reported back in the 1980s that Diana's favourite boy's name that she wanted to use was "Oliver" (quite trendy at the time).

It had to be explained to her why that was a HUGE NO from the royal family.

I know! I suppose she didn't understand 😂

HoldMyWine · Yesterday 15:18

Slight derail but it made me chuckle.
i want someone to look at me the way Tom Cruise looks at Catherine
https://x.com/sapphireblues3/status/2102688712475697278?s=46

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WilliamsExtraSausage · Yesterday 15:21

LaBarucci · Yesterday 15:11

I've come late to the thread, but this jogged my memory about what HAM said about the choice of Archewell for their foundation and thus their firstborn's name Archie, its roots in an ancient Greek concept of profound wells of giving or some such. Gemini has set me straight on the subject

The name Archewell is built on the ancient Greek word Arch\bar (\alpha\rho\chi\acute{\eta).
In ancient Greek philosophy—pioneered by Pre-Socratic thinkers like Thales, Anaximander, and Heraclitus—Arch\bar represents the "first principle," "origin," or "source of action". It refers to the fundamental substance or ultimate cause from which everything originates and by which all else is governed.

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex explained that this concept inspired both the name of their foundation and the name of their son, Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor. They combined the Greek concept of arch\bar (meaning a "source of action") with the English word well ("a plentiful source or supply") to signify a "deep reservoir to draw upon."

Unfortunately Archewell seems to have petered out, as has any sort of coherent principle or "source of action" at all, evidently. I personally associate "Archie" with Archie Rice in John Osborne's The Entertainer, clearly considered by the playwright to be an appropriate name for a clapped out, somewhat desperate middle-aged guy with broken dreams hawking himself about the place.

Did H find this on Google because he seriously did not pass his Ancient Greek at Eton.

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:24

MrsLeonFarrell · Yesterday 15:17

On the off chance you see this post.

I'm sorry that you have mental health struggles, I can relate to that. I can see how suddenly coming across thread 43 on the same topic it might be hard to understand the background and context to criticism you read.

I can only speak for myself when I say I find Harry a fascinating case study in institutionalism and the refusal to learn from experience. He has not been kind to his family, to many people he wrote about in his book Spare, he has called the UK racist, and whilst I would hope that I would be kind to him in person, in the abstract space that is mumsnet I can say find him tone deaf and entitled.

He obviously has mental health struggles, and has had a lot of therapy. But that is an explanation for some of his behaviour, not an excuse for it.

I appreciate your kind and measured response to me, thank you. 🌺

I do think he has suffered a lot of trauma and that family is absolutely toxic.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:25

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:24

I appreciate your kind and measured response to me, thank you. 🌺

I do think he has suffered a lot of trauma and that family is absolutely toxic.

I do think that he has created trauma for others, and he and his wife are toxic.

newberry · Yesterday 15:26

KnickerlessParsons · 23/09/2026 22:49

So it’s ok for her to be on a photo that shows her friend’s son’s face, but won’t show anyone her own son’s face. 🤷‍♀️

I mean that's because the child's parents are clearly ok with their son's face being shown. Whereas M and H are not ok with their children's faces being shown. Nothing to do with M's face really.

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:27

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:25

I do think that he has created trauma for others, and he and his wife are toxic.

I don’t know either of them well enough (or at all) to pass comment.

But now I’m getting drawn in again when I said I wouldn’t.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:27

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:27

I don’t know either of them well enough (or at all) to pass comment.

But now I’m getting drawn in again when I said I wouldn’t.

Then why make the accusation that the RF is "toxic"?

Lunde · Yesterday 15:28

smilesy · Yesterday 12:06

I think the point is there would have been two Princess Alexandras at the same time. Not just another Alexandra in the same family. I don’t believe there is or was another Elizabeth in the RF 🤷‍♀️

There were 2 Queen Elizabeths for around 50 years - the Queen and her mother

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:28

newberry · Yesterday 15:26

I mean that's because the child's parents are clearly ok with their son's face being shown. Whereas M and H are not ok with their children's faces being shown. Nothing to do with M's face really.

This is the sort of stuff I’m about..,why is Meghan being vilified for this?

It’s just bonkers.

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:28

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:27

Then why make the accusation that the RF is "toxic"?

Because it’s bloody obvious???

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:29

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:28

This is the sort of stuff I’m about..,why is Meghan being vilified for this?

It’s just bonkers.

You have heard about their pronouncements? They have stated publicly that children shouldn't be on social media.
They use their children on social media all the time, for the clicks.
Hypocrisy.

twosmallaxolotls · Yesterday 15:30

GunnelVallquist · Yesterday 15:28

Because it’s bloody obvious???

No need to swear. I asked a question. If you can't give a reason for your statement, fine.

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