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Viviennemary · 18/09/2026 14:17

Buckingham Palace have said they won't be commenting further on the book. But I expect plenty of others will be and it's not even published yet so I started this second thread. I really liked Diana and thought she got treated shabbily by Charles. But really writing a book of gripes 30 years later is not on imho. I noticed on the news Harry declined to comment on it. Sensible decision for once.

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foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:18

myrtleWilson · Yesterday 08:11

I’ve never visited my grandparents graves, nor the places where I scattered my mother’s ashes, nor my sister’s ashes - what point are you trying to make?

I accept that people grieve differently. I visit my parents’ and grandparents’ graves at least once a year to place flowers and pay my respects for the life they gave me. If you’re hundreds of miles away, I understand why that might be difficult.

But if you’re relatively close and never once visit, I think it’s reasonable to wonder what message that sends. Given the well-documented coldness between Charles and Diana in life, the absence of any publicly documented visit to her grave strikes me as significant almost as though the distance in life continued in death. That’s my interpretation, not a claim to know what he feels privately.

OctopusFriend · Yesterday 08:21

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:18

I accept that people grieve differently. I visit my parents’ and grandparents’ graves at least once a year to place flowers and pay my respects for the life they gave me. If you’re hundreds of miles away, I understand why that might be difficult.

But if you’re relatively close and never once visit, I think it’s reasonable to wonder what message that sends. Given the well-documented coldness between Charles and Diana in life, the absence of any publicly documented visit to her grave strikes me as significant almost as though the distance in life continued in death. That’s my interpretation, not a claim to know what he feels privately.

That is a private matter, surely. I feel now that people are ripping into KC for any reason now.

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:22

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:18

I accept that people grieve differently. I visit my parents’ and grandparents’ graves at least once a year to place flowers and pay my respects for the life they gave me. If you’re hundreds of miles away, I understand why that might be difficult.

But if you’re relatively close and never once visit, I think it’s reasonable to wonder what message that sends. Given the well-documented coldness between Charles and Diana in life, the absence of any publicly documented visit to her grave strikes me as significant almost as though the distance in life continued in death. That’s my interpretation, not a claim to know what he feels privately.

I can see that Charles would have felt a visit would have been very unwelcome. Spencer can’t have it both ways. I bet if C HAD visited regularly Spencer would have called him a hypocrite.

The whole situation is complex and open to different interpretations.

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:23

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 08:03

@CoffeeCantata

His nephews are middle aged men for gods sake.

If he had written this a few years after it happened I’d agree with you .
He waited 30 years . He showed remarkable restraint

Oh and Charles PR - if you are reading this your smearing campaign is weak and obvious . Everyone who criticises is ‘mentally ill / of bad character / drunk.
As if those 3 terms don’t sum up the Windsors .

I don’t understand what you are saying. What has mental illness got to do with this?

smilesy · Yesterday 08:23

MrsLeonFarrell · Yesterday 07:39

As with many accidents, the tragedy comes as a result of many, often small, errors. It all added up to the crash but many made decisions that contributed.

Exactly this. It is often hard for people to accept that accidents happen, but they do. And obviously engaging in this combination of risky behaviour (Faye’s wanting to leave the Ritz, insisting Paul drive although he has been drinking, excessive speed) increased the risk of an accident happening. But it was not because it was planned by some nefarious bodies

myrtleWilson · Yesterday 08:25

You’re talking jack @foxylady2, people hold their memories and respect in different ways. You are no more respectful to your loved ones than I am to mine by dint of your annual visit. In the same vein, you’re no less disrespectful to your loved ones when compared to people or attend graves/memorial locations monthly or weekly.

But you crack on wondering what message I’m sending (also that ‘but’ negates everything you said prior)

Roxring · Yesterday 08:25

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:05

Charles’s has never visited Diana's grave, never once.

Diana’s burial spot on the island isn’t even marked, according to Charles Spencer, there isn’t a grave to visit. Considering the animosity between the two men, it’s completely understandable King Charles would not visit the Althorp estate.

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:26

smilesy · Yesterday 08:18

Wasn’t most of this in the falsified documents that Martin Bashir gave her? How would it have been in the Palace’s interest to off Diana in some way? Her star was definitely waning at the time she died. Why upset the status quo? The RF are good at playing the long game. They have been doing it for a thousand years or so

I agree.

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:28

myrtleWilson · Yesterday 08:25

You’re talking jack @foxylady2, people hold their memories and respect in different ways. You are no more respectful to your loved ones than I am to mine by dint of your annual visit. In the same vein, you’re no less disrespectful to your loved ones when compared to people or attend graves/memorial locations monthly or weekly.

But you crack on wondering what message I’m sending (also that ‘but’ negates everything you said prior)

You didn't do "never" as I read it - that applies to Charles.

MrsLeonFarrell · Yesterday 08:34

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:02

Richard Kay has come out and confirmed CS view. Here is part of the article which is on Mail+

https://www.dailymail.com/news/royals/article-16142015/RICHARD-KAY-Earl-Spencer-Diana-death-row-Charles-memoir-book.html

He and I spoke several times during that frightful week between Diana’s death and her funeral. He wanted to know about Dodi Fayed, who died with her in the crash. What kind of man was he, he asked? Was he good to her and did I think she loved him?
I couldn’t answer about love, though I did say that as this was the only relationship since her marriage to be acknowledged it must mean something. He asked if they might have married. I told him that I thought they really might. Wisely Spencer was doubtful and left Dodi out of his oration (I, too, later concluded Diana would not have married him).
I said Dodi and I had spoken a couple of times the previous week when the two were still away on their last Mediterranean cruise. He rang me on Diana’s mobile phone calling me ‘Ricardo’, the nickname she had given me so people overhearing wouldn’t know who she was speaking to.
I recall telling Spencer that he seemed straightforward, easy-going and uncomplicated, and that appealed to Diana.
He told me about the thousands of letters that had come by the sackload from all over the world. Then, pointedly and without further explanation, he said everyone he had been dealing with over the funeral – courtiers, officials, Downing Street – had been helpful, with one exception.
Who, I asked? ‘Prince Charles,’ came the reply.

He said they’d had a ‘furious row’. It was ‘about the boys’, but he was reluctant to go further. Cuttingly he added: ‘He has been utterly pathetic.’
We touched on the events since the tragedy a few days earlier. The atmosphere on London’s streets, packed with mourning bystanders wanting to pay their respects, was febrile.
There was anger at the perceived coldness of the royals sequestered on their Scottish estate.
Much of it was directed at Prince Charles. Spencer told me he found the royal's wish to walk behind his ex-wife’s coffin weird, and it alarmed both courtiers and the police. There was talk that the crowd might shout abuse at the prince or even hurl objects.

Amid the drama of that week – at one stage the prince was reported to have told his family, when they questioned why he proposed to bring Diana’s body home in a royal flight, ‘Would you rather it was a Harrods van?’ – the prince was viewed as both villain and victim.
Looking back through notes I made at that time, family members initially told me they hoped the funeral would be a small one. Someone had gone through Diana’s address book at Kensington Palace. There were only 40 or so names in it. But as she once told me, they were the people ‘she really loved'.
It was the extraordinary scenes of thousands lining the route from RAF Northolt, where Diana’s coffin had been flown to from Paris, into central London that changed everything.
Charles Spencer’s oration, in which he made his famous pledge to ensure that Diana’s ‘blood family’ would do all it could to ensure William and Harry were ‘not simply immersed by duty and tradition, but can sing openly’, as his sister planned, was the last act of the Spencer/Windsor wars.
But Harry, who has sought desperately to cloak himself in his mother’s legacy as an outsider and disruptor, has revived the conflict. He feels he has been undermined and traduced by the Royal Family, just as his mother felt.
Harry’s return to these shores, demanding an apology for the way he feels he and Meghan were treated before they fled to California, is something of a replay, particularly in the way he has intensified those Spencer blood ties.
Diana always used to tell me how thrilled she was to be a Spencer. When she lost her HRH title on divorce, although hurt, she remained upbeat. ‘I shall always have a title, the one I got from my own family,’ she told me. This was Lady Diana Spencer, or Lady Di, as she was universally known.
Poignantly, Spencer reveals how, hours after his funeral address, the Queen – whose face, rigidly composed, did not flicker a sign of emotion as he spoke a few feet from her that September day in 1997 – offered, incredibly, to restore her Royal Highness style.
Was this the Queen, so outwardly impassive and reserved, finally acknowledging the mega-watt star power of the princess? Or was it her way of accepting that the royals had treated Diana shoddily?
Of his remarks she offered no criticism, telling Robert Fellowes that as Spencer – her own godson – was speaking as Diana’s brother, he was entitled to say whatever he felt fit.
For his part, Spencer viewed the HRH gesture as well-meaning but hollow and turned it down. Despite her bravado, I knew Diana felt its removal deeply and believed it had been done out of spite.

One consequence, the book relates, was an encounter with Princess Michael of Kent, her neighbour at Kensington Palace whom she despised. The imperious Marie-Christine told her: ‘Don’t worry Diana – you only need to curtsy to me when we are in public!’
Harry, whose wife was said to bridle at having to curtsy to Kate, would surely identify with his mother’s dismay as he embraces his Spencer heritage.
In his California absence, the admiration and respect for the other figure in this saga, Prince William, has deepened and blossomed. However much Harry may hate it, William and Kate are the true inheritors of Diana’s popularity and of her sense of duty.
As her little brother, Charles Spencer sees his duty is to correct some of the many calumnies Diana’s fame brought on his family. Among them that her childhood was unhappy. Despite the sadness of their parents’ divorce, he writes of their blissful early years in Park House on the Sandringham estate, so much homelier than Althorp where they moved when Diana was a teenager.

A young Charles Spencer looks adoringly at his big sister Diana in 1967
And he vehemently defends his father over claims he was an abusive husband who struck his wife. Untrue, says Spencer.
In challenging the narrative of his sister’s early life he risks putting himself at odds with Diana’s own version of events. That came in her collaboration with Andrew Morton in Diana: Her True Story – and the author has the princess on tape.
On the royal marriage, Spencer captures both its bleak aridness but also its intimacy. Diana’s account to her brother of learning how her husband was bullied as a child by his father is deeply affecting. (She always insisted to me that there were times when the two were properly ‘in love’.)
Above all, his book tries to reveal the Diana he knew, a vibrant beauty but often troubled. He offers a diagnosis – ADHD – and suggests that as part of that condition she suffered from Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (as does he). This, he says, ‘is an intense emotional pain in the face of others’ rejection or criticism’.
It is heartbreakingly sad to read these words and how, as he claims, Diana drove herself on more than one occasion to Beachy Head, the towering East Sussex cliff, and contemplated ending it all. ‘Her love for her sons stopped her going further.’
Back in 2002 Charles Spencer gave an interview in which he said it was time to draw a line under ‘being the man who made a speech at his sister’s funeral’.
Almost 25 years later, with a sensational and controversial flourish, he finally has.
Earlier I suggested this was the history Spencer always wanted to write. I believe it’s also the book Diana would have wanted him to write.

Thank you for including the article, I can't see things behind a paywall.

"He said they’d had a ‘furious row’. It was ‘about the boys’, but he was reluctant to go further. Cuttingly he added: ‘He has been utterly pathetic"

That isn't confirming the words Charles S has claimed Charles R said though is it? It's confirming a row, which I think everyone believes happened, but not the incendary words that are being put in the King's mouth. It doesn't really prove anything.

I don't believe we will ever have conclusive proof of what was said, and it's up to each of us to decide where we believe the probability of who is telling the truth lies.

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:35

smilesy · Yesterday 08:18

Wasn’t most of this in the falsified documents that Martin Bashir gave her? How would it have been in the Palace’s interest to off Diana in some way? Her star was definitely waning at the time she died. Why upset the status quo? The RF are good at playing the long game. They have been doing it for a thousand years or so

Yes, it was. He falsified docs to make her think she was being spied on and targeted - which caused her to ditch her royal security.

He is hugely culpable in the tragedy. And he’d also told her that Tiggy L-B was having an affair with Charles and had had an abortion. He manipulated an already very insecure and fragile person.

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 08:40

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:23

I don’t understand what you are saying. What has mental illness got to do with this?

I’ll spell it out

There is clear pattern - it’s a tired PR approach now - when anyone criticises the Windsors the critic is labelled overtly or covertly ( as was the attempt re Charles Spencer) as ‘confused/ drunk / drug addled / mentally ill / of bad character

This from the Windsors who could be labelled with any or all the above most particularly the latter - now we know that they number pedophiles and pedophile protectors

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · Yesterday 08:41

OneLilacHedgehog · Yesterday 01:28

No you simply repeated the words in the statement. You said I was wrong and that it means to cloud judgement. Simply repeating the words used in a statement is not explaining what it means.

But it's fine. I get that you know I am right but that you feel unable to admit it. I understand

I think what @IAmATorturedPoet is saying, and what many of us are saying is, we can explain it to you, but we can't understand for you.

You do not want to understand anything but your own echo. That's fine. It's amusing. It proves you are no more a criminal lawyer than I am a heart surgeon.

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:45

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 08:40

I’ll spell it out

There is clear pattern - it’s a tired PR approach now - when anyone criticises the Windsors the critic is labelled overtly or covertly ( as was the attempt re Charles Spencer) as ‘confused/ drunk / drug addled / mentally ill / of bad character

This from the Windsors who could be labelled with any or all the above most particularly the latter - now we know that they number pedophiles and pedophile protectors

No, that still isn’t making sense to me and I think you’re bringing in all kinds of irrelevancies.

Let’s stick to the matter in hand and the actual facts.

IAmATorturedPoet · Yesterday 08:46

AnnoyedAsAllHeck · Yesterday 08:41

I think what @IAmATorturedPoet is saying, and what many of us are saying is, we can explain it to you, but we can't understand for you.

You do not want to understand anything but your own echo. That's fine. It's amusing. It proves you are no more a criminal lawyer than I am a heart surgeon.

Yes, thank you 🙏 @AnnoyedAsAllHeck

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:47

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:02

Richard Kay has come out and confirmed CS view. Here is part of the article which is on Mail+

https://www.dailymail.com/news/royals/article-16142015/RICHARD-KAY-Earl-Spencer-Diana-death-row-Charles-memoir-book.html

He and I spoke several times during that frightful week between Diana’s death and her funeral. He wanted to know about Dodi Fayed, who died with her in the crash. What kind of man was he, he asked? Was he good to her and did I think she loved him?
I couldn’t answer about love, though I did say that as this was the only relationship since her marriage to be acknowledged it must mean something. He asked if they might have married. I told him that I thought they really might. Wisely Spencer was doubtful and left Dodi out of his oration (I, too, later concluded Diana would not have married him).
I said Dodi and I had spoken a couple of times the previous week when the two were still away on their last Mediterranean cruise. He rang me on Diana’s mobile phone calling me ‘Ricardo’, the nickname she had given me so people overhearing wouldn’t know who she was speaking to.
I recall telling Spencer that he seemed straightforward, easy-going and uncomplicated, and that appealed to Diana.
He told me about the thousands of letters that had come by the sackload from all over the world. Then, pointedly and without further explanation, he said everyone he had been dealing with over the funeral – courtiers, officials, Downing Street – had been helpful, with one exception.
Who, I asked? ‘Prince Charles,’ came the reply.

He said they’d had a ‘furious row’. It was ‘about the boys’, but he was reluctant to go further. Cuttingly he added: ‘He has been utterly pathetic.’
We touched on the events since the tragedy a few days earlier. The atmosphere on London’s streets, packed with mourning bystanders wanting to pay their respects, was febrile.
There was anger at the perceived coldness of the royals sequestered on their Scottish estate.
Much of it was directed at Prince Charles. Spencer told me he found the royal's wish to walk behind his ex-wife’s coffin weird, and it alarmed both courtiers and the police. There was talk that the crowd might shout abuse at the prince or even hurl objects.

Amid the drama of that week – at one stage the prince was reported to have told his family, when they questioned why he proposed to bring Diana’s body home in a royal flight, ‘Would you rather it was a Harrods van?’ – the prince was viewed as both villain and victim.
Looking back through notes I made at that time, family members initially told me they hoped the funeral would be a small one. Someone had gone through Diana’s address book at Kensington Palace. There were only 40 or so names in it. But as she once told me, they were the people ‘she really loved'.
It was the extraordinary scenes of thousands lining the route from RAF Northolt, where Diana’s coffin had been flown to from Paris, into central London that changed everything.
Charles Spencer’s oration, in which he made his famous pledge to ensure that Diana’s ‘blood family’ would do all it could to ensure William and Harry were ‘not simply immersed by duty and tradition, but can sing openly’, as his sister planned, was the last act of the Spencer/Windsor wars.
But Harry, who has sought desperately to cloak himself in his mother’s legacy as an outsider and disruptor, has revived the conflict. He feels he has been undermined and traduced by the Royal Family, just as his mother felt.
Harry’s return to these shores, demanding an apology for the way he feels he and Meghan were treated before they fled to California, is something of a replay, particularly in the way he has intensified those Spencer blood ties.
Diana always used to tell me how thrilled she was to be a Spencer. When she lost her HRH title on divorce, although hurt, she remained upbeat. ‘I shall always have a title, the one I got from my own family,’ she told me. This was Lady Diana Spencer, or Lady Di, as she was universally known.
Poignantly, Spencer reveals how, hours after his funeral address, the Queen – whose face, rigidly composed, did not flicker a sign of emotion as he spoke a few feet from her that September day in 1997 – offered, incredibly, to restore her Royal Highness style.
Was this the Queen, so outwardly impassive and reserved, finally acknowledging the mega-watt star power of the princess? Or was it her way of accepting that the royals had treated Diana shoddily?
Of his remarks she offered no criticism, telling Robert Fellowes that as Spencer – her own godson – was speaking as Diana’s brother, he was entitled to say whatever he felt fit.
For his part, Spencer viewed the HRH gesture as well-meaning but hollow and turned it down. Despite her bravado, I knew Diana felt its removal deeply and believed it had been done out of spite.

One consequence, the book relates, was an encounter with Princess Michael of Kent, her neighbour at Kensington Palace whom she despised. The imperious Marie-Christine told her: ‘Don’t worry Diana – you only need to curtsy to me when we are in public!’
Harry, whose wife was said to bridle at having to curtsy to Kate, would surely identify with his mother’s dismay as he embraces his Spencer heritage.
In his California absence, the admiration and respect for the other figure in this saga, Prince William, has deepened and blossomed. However much Harry may hate it, William and Kate are the true inheritors of Diana’s popularity and of her sense of duty.
As her little brother, Charles Spencer sees his duty is to correct some of the many calumnies Diana’s fame brought on his family. Among them that her childhood was unhappy. Despite the sadness of their parents’ divorce, he writes of their blissful early years in Park House on the Sandringham estate, so much homelier than Althorp where they moved when Diana was a teenager.

A young Charles Spencer looks adoringly at his big sister Diana in 1967
And he vehemently defends his father over claims he was an abusive husband who struck his wife. Untrue, says Spencer.
In challenging the narrative of his sister’s early life he risks putting himself at odds with Diana’s own version of events. That came in her collaboration with Andrew Morton in Diana: Her True Story – and the author has the princess on tape.
On the royal marriage, Spencer captures both its bleak aridness but also its intimacy. Diana’s account to her brother of learning how her husband was bullied as a child by his father is deeply affecting. (She always insisted to me that there were times when the two were properly ‘in love’.)
Above all, his book tries to reveal the Diana he knew, a vibrant beauty but often troubled. He offers a diagnosis – ADHD – and suggests that as part of that condition she suffered from Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria (as does he). This, he says, ‘is an intense emotional pain in the face of others’ rejection or criticism’.
It is heartbreakingly sad to read these words and how, as he claims, Diana drove herself on more than one occasion to Beachy Head, the towering East Sussex cliff, and contemplated ending it all. ‘Her love for her sons stopped her going further.’
Back in 2002 Charles Spencer gave an interview in which he said it was time to draw a line under ‘being the man who made a speech at his sister’s funeral’.
Almost 25 years later, with a sensational and controversial flourish, he finally has.
Earlier I suggested this was the history Spencer always wanted to write. I believe it’s also the book Diana would have wanted him to write.

The first half of that article;

Why Earl Spencer's damning memoir rings so true to me

By Richard Kay

They last met at London’s Tate Gallery on July 1 – Princess Diana’s 36th birthday. It was unexpected. ‘Neither of us had any idea that the other was going to be at the evening,’ Charles Spencer observed.
Typically, he noted, his sister was not celebrating her special day with friends but was working: guest of honour at a charity fundraiser.

They were never to see each other again. Nine weeks later, with Diana dead and a nation convulsed in grief, Earl Spencer was to recall this briefest of final encounters in his powerful eulogy from the pulpit of Westminster Abbey.
He had included it as a bittersweet reminder of how unexpected and abrupt the death of a loved one can be.

While this lacerating oration has been ranked as one of the great speeches of the modern age, alongside Churchill’s wartime addresses and that of John F. Kennedy at his inauguration, it is his voice, cracking with emotion and loss, that has reverberated down the years.
His use of the phrase ‘blood family’, signalling the bitter difference between the Spencers and the Royal Family, together with the rebuke to the House of Windsor for stripping Diana of her royal title and his damning of the media for their pursuit of her, remain extraordinarily vivid.
Listening to it today, it has lost none of the shock and awe I felt sitting among Diana’s closest friends at her funeral 29 years ago, when we joined the applause that had begun among the masses outside the* Abbey *as he sat down.
I remembered that I, too, had spoken to her on that birthday. ‘I’ve got more flowers here than Kew Gardens,’ she quipped, before groaning about the number of thank you letters she would be required to write. This was the elegant and amusing Diana with whom I had become friends over the previous five years, whose memorable laughter and sense of humour was infectious.
There was another side to Diana, too – vulnerable and hurting not only from the ceaseless scrutiny her enduring fame had triggered, but also her eating disorders and her battles with the royals, who wanted her marginalised once the fairytale marriage failed.
The fatal Paris car crash prompted endless examinations of these many sides of Diana's life, most of them barely scratching the surface of the complicated woman that was the Princess of Wales. Much of this output was ill-informed, and some downright cruel.

From time to time Earl Spencer, the baby brother whom Diana had mothered as a child, would speak out against some of the more lurid fantasies.

A young Charles Spencer and Diana. They called each other 'Carlos' and 'Duch'
Occasionally he would take aim at the royals too: one year complaining that William and Harry may not have been encouraged to stay in touch with their mother’s side of the family; another, wondering why the then Prince Charles had never visited his ex-wife’s island grave at Althorp, the Spencer family home in Northamptonshire.

But mostly he kept quiet, as he and his family tried to hold fast to their memories of the woman to whom he paid such moving tribute.
Now, with the 30th anniversary of the princess’s death 11 months away, comes, at last, Charles Spencer’s own brilliant examination of his sister, in order to right some of those wrongs.
It is an explosive yet thoughtful book, simply entitled Swan Song. But it is at times unflinching when it comes to Diana in the raw, the sister he so memorably described from the Abbey pulpit as 'a very British girl who transcended nationality'.
It is an insider’s account from the ultimate insider, one of only a handful who knew Diana for almost the entire span of her life. It is elegiac and moving, with childhood memories of growing up with Diana, who was three years his senior. But it is also at times painful, as the rollercoaster of the princess’s life escalated to a whirlwind pace on marrying the heir to the throne.
Nor does he shrink from how her celebrity impacted his family – the fallings out and the breakdown in relations. At the time of her death, she had not spoken to their mother for almost four months. And he details his own quarrel with her, when he changed his mind about allowing Diana the use of a property she had her heart set on at the Althorp estate.
But for King Charles the memoir is a catastrophe. All his careful efforts to rebuild the affection of a nation that was repelled by his treatment of Diana but has come round in the years since – especially since he assumed the crown – risk being brutally stripped away.

Spencer paints a portrait of his former brother-in-law as blackhearted and uncaring. He describes a petulant and peevish Prince of Wales, unused to being questioned or thwarted.
There is a chilling coldness when he writes of receiving a telephone call from the prince, then at Balmoral Castle with his sons, in the hours after Diana’s death had been confirmed.

Charles at the launch of The King's Fund's Enhancing the Healing Environment programme at St Thomas' Hospital, London, in 2000
‘Unlike my other callers, who were stunned, barely able to articulate their condolences and offers of help, he sounded giddily elated – like a lottery winner, I remember thinking at the time,’ he writes.
‘He let me know he had informed William and Harry of their mother’s death, first thing that morning, in their bedrooms at Balmoral. It all sounded strangely matter of fact, given the enormity of the disaster.’
He then offers the most devastating critique. ‘Looking back now, I suspect the prince’s first reaction must have been to think more of how this event might free him to marry the woman he loved, rather than appreciating the loss of one he did not.
‘It can be hard to feel too much sympathy for an ex-spouse, or those who care for them profoundly, after a bitter divorce.’
Buckingham Palace’s reaction to these incendiary revelations have been almost without precedent.
In a statement released on Wednesday, the Palace responded in the strongest of regal terms: ‘While we do not comment on books as a matter of principle, His Majesty is mindful that the pain of fraternal grief can cloud reason, affect judgment and colour memory in ways others do not recognise, even many years after such loss.’
Powerful stuff, but Spencer’s scathing character assassination instantly transported me back to those troubled days when Diana’s unhappiness in her marriage, and the haunting presence of Camilla Parker Bowles, led her to tearfully call me at all hours of the day and night. She relayed her bitterness at what she once described as her ‘inhuman’ treatment from what she always scornfully called ‘my husband’s family’.
Those long calls, sometimes lasting hours – one went on for the best part of a day, with fleeting breaks for meals – were a form of therapy for Diana, whose circle of trust had shrunk dramatically after her separation.
At the heart of the circle, though, were the Spencers and the spirited bloodline she was so proud to have passed on to William and Harry.
And it is why Charles Spencer’s recollections, carefully annotated at the time, are so damning. After that phone call from the prince he received another, a few days later, after learning of plans for William and Harry, then 15 and 12, to walk behind their mother’s coffin.

Appalled, he told the courtier: ‘I’m afraid it’s not happening. Diana would never have wanted to put them through anything so ghastly.’
Within minutes his phone rang. It was Prince Charles. ‘“I gather you’ve got a problem with the funeral arrangements,” he said testily,’ Spencer relates.
He explained to the prince that his concern was the issue of the boys walking behind Diana’s coffin. To which Charles said: ‘But I did it at Lord Mountbatten’s funeral!’
Spencer: ‘But you were 30, sir, and he wasn’t your mother.’

Spencer and Charles chat during the official opening of a fountain built in memory of Diana, in London's Hyde Park
This, says Spencer, triggered an astonishing outburst from Charles: ‘That’s the problem with your family. They’ve got no bloody sense of duty.’
Stung by his words and thinking of his family’s centuries of service to the monarchy, Spencer listened in stunned silence as the prince ranted, before finally coming to a stop.
‘I assumed the pause signalled an effort to bring himself under control,’ writes Spencer, ‘but then he unleashed down the phone what I have always taken to be his pent-up contempt for Diana, and his horror that the world was so bowled over by her death: "Rest assured," he hissed, "we’ll forget her soon enough".'
Spencer was so flabbergasted it took him several seconds before he could reply. ‘I can’t believe you just said that,’ he told the prince, and hung up.
His coldly calm reply was telling – he didn’t use the word ‘sir’.

Harry, Charles, Spencer and William at Westminster Abbey for Diana's funeral service

Even accounting for the fact that the week between Diana’s death and her funeral was the most serious for the royals since the abdication crisis 60 years earlier, and tempers were short with emotions running high, the words Spencer reports are lethal for Charles’s reputation.
Notwithstanding the Palace’s denial of the conversation this week, these highly contentious words – if true – evoke an image of a man so tied up with convention and his place in the world, he had suddenly lost touch with humanity. Such shuddering indifference to the mother of his own children – and the feelings of his sons – shows him to be insensitive to the emotional needs of everyone around him, while desperate for his own to be met in full.
Looking back all these years later, it does seem preposterous that King Charles would ever utter such contemptible words. But as Prince of Wales? I am not so sure. He was scrupulously fearful of how history would judge him for his actions in the marriage crisis.
Spencer himself has doubled down on his version, telling the BBC he stands by his account of what he writes. And the narrative is certainly gripping.
In another bizarre episode, he recalls meeting Diana for lunch and she tells him she is going to get a divorce. When he warns her that public sympathy may not be on her side, she replies ‘But Carlos (her nickname for him), my husband is in love with his valet.’
To which Spencer gulps: ‘Well, I guess in that case, you don’t really have a choice.’
This astounding intervention is given no further context – maybe for legal reasons – and there is no evidence there is any truth in it. But from my conversations with Diana, I know she believed it.
It is one of the curiosities which may explain why Charles Spencer has resisted writing any kind of biography of his sister until now. But the anecdotes about the then Prince of Wales make a compelling case that, in the words of the old cliché, revenge is a dish best served cold.
I suspect this is the book Spencer always wanted to write but for which he has been biding his time. Queen Elizabeth, Prince Philip and other senior royals of the era are dead, as is his and Diana’s mother Frances Shand Kydd. The more recent loss of his much-loved brother-in-law Robert Fellowes, once the Queen’s private secretary and married to Spencer’s middle sister Lady Jane, may have further emboldened him to write.

With the anniversary of her death still almost a year away, the timing of Spencer’s book is, however, puzzling. That it should be published just as his nephew Prince Harry returns to Britain, bringing fresh uncertainties and anxiety to the Royal Family as well as Harry's plans to make a film about his mother, adds another level of intrigue.
Indeed, this week's turmoil – with Harry and Meghan theatrically removing their children from their new school after only two days – was evocative of Diana’s impulsiveness.
In the six years of his exile, it was his uncle Charles and aunts Jane and Sarah with whom he kept in touch as relations with his father and brother collapsed. In the context of his falling out with the Royal Family, keeping close to the Spencers looks critical.
It was surely no coincidence that during his brief return with Meghan and their children Archie and Lilibet in July, they chose to base themselves at Althorp for part of the time. While there, Meghan posted photographs which appeared to show their children carrying flowers to place on Princess Diana’s grave – an act freighted with symbolism.

As Harry, the prodigal son, returns to an uneasy welcome, it is hard not to be transported back to the 1990s and those years of oneupmanship and rivalry between Charles and Diana that so damaged the image of the House of Windsor.
I reported on every twist and turn throughout those years, and we at the Mail unashamedly took Diana’s side in the conflict which became known as the ‘war of the Waleses’. We were her newspaper – and in a media landscape where she had few friends, she was enormously grateful for our support.

Princess Diana with her friend, Daily Mail journalist Richard Kay, in Kensington
Often she was accused, by lazy commentators* *who didn’t know her, of being a threat to the monarchy. I, however, saw someone who was its salvation, who had given a respected but fusty institution the kiss of life.
Observing the Harry situation – and there is already hot trouble looming following the King’s communique reminding organisations that the Duke and Duchess of Sussex are not working royals and should be treated as private citizens – it is clear there are parallels.

Inevitably, some will ask whether the Windsors have learned the lessons of history. Their attempt to erase Diana did not end well. There was outrage during a part of the Golden Jubilee celebrations in 2002 when her inclusion in a tableaux of royal lineage was reduced to a cardboard cutout.
Prince Charles’s hissed aside to Spencer that his sister would soon be forgotten has proved to be one of the great misjudgments of history. Are they risking similar trouble with their stance on Harry?
In life, the public put Diana on a pedestal, and she has remained there impervious ever since.
It is therefore easy to see why the feud between Harry and his family is being framed as Diana versus the Windsors Part Two.
There are, of course, critical differences. Princess Diana remained a much-loved figure, hugely popular with a public that forgave every misstep. Even the notorious Panorama interview, when she publicly questioned Charles’s fitness to be King, did not dent her appeal.

She was always seen as a wronged woman, despite admitting that she, too, had been unfaithful with cavalry officer James Hewitt. To fans everywhere she was the casualty of a coldly indifferent Royal Family who felt threatened by the mass affection of a public who stood with her.
For Harry it is a different story. Rather than staying and pinning his hopes on the generous and forgiving nature of the British people, he turned his back on his country and his duty. Diana never did, however much she would privately say to me she longed to do so.
Back in the pre-Meghan days, Harry seemed to possess that special something of Diana’s when it came to personal popularity, but he threw it away and the magic is gone.
His petulance and self-importance are more reminiscent of the Prince of Wales, as described by Charles Spencer, than of Diana. He will have to work hard to win back even a fraction of the love he lost.
As the author of nine well-received earlier books, his uncle Charles Spencer sees himself as a historian and I presume he believes he has a contribution to make to the historical record.
He would also have wanted to honour the memory of a sister he described to mourners as ‘the very essence of compassion, of duty, of style, of beauty’.

His book is cleverly framed around the writing – and delivery – of that famous eulogy, fashioned from the copious notes which, as a journalist, he took of conversations with friends and family as well as fragments of memories.

It is thanks to Spencer’s forensic note-taking, don’t forget, that the world discovered the duplicity of the BBC’s Martin Bashir and how he manipulated the princess into giving her disastrous TV interview.

foxylady2 · Yesterday 08:48

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:35

Yes, it was. He falsified docs to make her think she was being spied on and targeted - which caused her to ditch her royal security.

He is hugely culpable in the tragedy. And he’d also told her that Tiggy L-B was having an affair with Charles and had had an abortion. He manipulated an already very insecure and fragile person.

from my link above;

It is thanks to Spencer’s forensic note-taking, don’t forget, that the world discovered the duplicity of the BBC’s Martin Bashir and how he manipulated the princess into giving her disastrous TV interview.

Indigovelvet · Yesterday 08:51

Thanks Foxylady Interesting!

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 09:02

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 08:35

Yes, it was. He falsified docs to make her think she was being spied on and targeted - which caused her to ditch her royal security.

He is hugely culpable in the tragedy. And he’d also told her that Tiggy L-B was having an affair with Charles and had had an abortion. He manipulated an already very insecure and fragile person.

No leaving out a key aspect here - I don’t know if deliberately or otherwise .
Bashir did fabricate documents

That does not mean that security leaks at various levels were not used to smear Diana .
Two things are true at once
The investigation into her death touched on this . See the testimony of inspector Ken Warfe who confirmed that Diana was being monitored and leaks were used to smear her ( see the pattern) and boost Charles .

Diana was not paranoid.
She rejected her security because she didn’t know who to trust . Bashir was able to leverage that fear but he was not the sole cause . He was building on what she had already experienced.

This smear is exactly why I believe Charles Spencer . Same old same old from the palace sprang into action to try to discredit him. It’s all over royalist posts .

No smears on Andrew were there ? They are already trying to normalise him with leaks of ‘girlfriend’.

Serenster · Yesterday 09:20

Diana was not paranoid.
She rejected her security because she didn’t know who to trust . Bashir was able to leverage that fear but he was not the sole cause . He was building on what she had already experienced.

Ironically for you, Charles Spencer, who you are advocating must be believed on these matters, disagrees with this and blamed Bashir for Diana’s distrust and its fatal consequences. He told Panorama:

"Well, the irony is that I met Martin Bashir on the 31st of August 1995 - because exactly two years later she died, and I do draw a line between the two events."
He said it was "quite clear" from when he introduced Bashir to Diana in September 1995 that "everyone was going to be made untrustworthy, and I think that Diana did lose trust in really key people".

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 09:29

@Serenster

You post is not relevant .

I haven’t read the book yet so a few sentences taken out of context ( and which by the way do nothing to contradict what I wrote) are meaningless .

I believe that Charles said that sentence . The one we all now know
“rest assured we will forget her soon enough’

What father would say such a thing a matter of hours after his ex wife’s death ?

Where did I say that every word Spencer says must be believed ?? I said I believe Charesl said what Spencer says. One sentence .
Haven’t you said in the past that you are a lawyer - that distinction is a basic one to misunderstand.

The investigation into Diana’s death confirmed that security leaks were used to discredit her . Bashir built on this
She was not paranoid .
That was part of the smear .

Serenster · Yesterday 09:30

Diana was spied on . Every move was logged - this was explained as normal palace security .Which it was.

The lack of truth of this allegation is amply proved by the fact that when Diana was involved in the car accident in the early hours of the morning in Paris, it came as complete news to everyone in the government and Royal family as they didn’t even know she was in Paris…

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 09:31

@Ukisgaslit

While I don’t like throwing around psychology terms when I’m in no position to diagnose them actually William did use the the term paranoia about his mother. He said that Bashir’s deceit and manipulation made her paranoid about being spied on and even targeted.

Yes, I’m sure the RF did keep tabs on Diana- but of course they would. She was the mother of the heir and the spare. This doesn’t automatically imply anything sinister. They would have been frustrated and concerned that she’d rejected royal security. In fact, I’d be amazed if they had just cut her loose - they knew some sort of relationship would need to be maintained.

We know from a number of sources that D was emotionally fragile and had been for some time so she was ripe for exploitation by the likes of Bashir.

Ukisgaslit · Yesterday 09:35

@Serenster

Oh my goodness
You have totally got the wrong end of the stick

Diana was aware she was being monitored . All of the occupants of the palace are monitored . Only she had her meetings / movements leaked .

That was why she ultimately refused her security . She didn’t know who to trust . Bashir built on this but did not solely trigger it.

Ive no idea who was monitoring Diana by the time she was in Paris . She had refused her security by then . This is all covered by the investigation into her death.

I note that there were no leaks or smears over the decades when Andrew had a convicted pedophile in and out of the palace and trafficked girls too .
That is the point .

CoffeeCantata · Yesterday 09:36

@Ukisgaslit

As to whether Charles said it, none of us know. It depends who you are inclined to believe. I’m not claiming he didn’t - neither of us knows.

But I would always want to know, on any record of a shouting match, the context. What was said before that?

I don’t know about you but I remember in my younger days having some shocking arguments with my sibling in which she wished me dead and I also said som awful things. We didn’t mean them. We were very angry with each other and emotions got the better of us.

Any reasonable person would allow for that.

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