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Discussion about Charles Spencer's book - Swan Song : Diana, my sister , Beautiful, Beloved, Hunted.

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BasiliskStare · 18/09/2026 13:13

I know there is a thread about the theft of some pre publication editions of this book.
This thread is more by way of a book club discussion about the actual book , the text. Threads will go where they will , but my intention is this is more for me to give my opinion on the book and for others who read it or are interested in the book to join in. I have pre-ordered from Kindle (half price otherwise I may not have 😊) But is only available on September 22nd. So a holding place if you like.

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SeptemberRains · 21/09/2026 22:36

@CrowOfTheAutumn
Zac Goldsmith’s former brother in law and father of his 2 nephews - Imran Knan -is rotting to death in a Pakastani prison cell. Zac would be better spending his time and influence getting him released.

CrowOfTheAutumn · 21/09/2026 22:37

Pipedreams607 · 21/09/2026 22:34

It’s not monumental. Who cares about Piers Morgan honestly? Mainly Piers Morgan 😀

Piers Morgan will make the most of it and shout as loud as he can but hasn’t he been sacked for lying, so doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on with his moral outrage! He’s horrid imho!

You’re not a solicitor, are you? Please tell me you’re not …

smilesy · 21/09/2026 22:38

Pipedreams607 · 21/09/2026 22:34

It’s not monumental. Who cares about Piers Morgan honestly? Mainly Piers Morgan 😀

Piers Morgan will make the most of it and shout as loud as he can but hasn’t he been sacked for lying, so doesn’t have much of a leg to stand on with his moral outrage! He’s horrid imho!

I don’t care about Piers Morgan but Spencer has indeed made a monumental cock up in accusing him of being in charge of a newspaper over an incident that occurred well before he worked there. It is a monumental cock up because it undermines the credibility of the book, along with the other historical errors contained in it, not because the person involved is an odious man

Pipedreams607 · 21/09/2026 22:39

Pipedreams607 · 21/09/2026 22:25

OK every time someone mentions Diana having affairs with married men I feel obliged to point out that Prince Charles had a coterie of married women with whom he slept before he married and Camilla remember regularly slept with a married women very soon after they had given birth.

Can we just stop with the double standard?

Correction! Sorry! 😀😀😀

Obviously that meant to read…

Camilla slept with a married man, whose wife had just given birth!

CrowOfTheAutumn · 21/09/2026 22:39

SeptemberRains · 21/09/2026 22:36

@CrowOfTheAutumn
Zac Goldsmith’s former brother in law and father of his 2 nephews - Imran Knan -is rotting to death in a Pakastani prison cell. Zac would be better spending his time and influence getting him released.

Edited

You don’t think he can knock out a quick tweet to express his legally held opinion in the UK because of what happened in Pakistan?

Pipedreams607 · 21/09/2026 22:42

smilesy · 21/09/2026 22:38

I don’t care about Piers Morgan but Spencer has indeed made a monumental cock up in accusing him of being in charge of a newspaper over an incident that occurred well before he worked there. It is a monumental cock up because it undermines the credibility of the book, along with the other historical errors contained in it, not because the person involved is an odious man

It’s one potential error that’s all.

It doesn’t cast doubt on the other information contained in the book at all although people for their own reasons will insist it’s significant.

The most important point about the publication of those appalling photos of Diana in the gym is the main point. And most decent people know that.

JustAnotherWhinger · 21/09/2026 22:48

Multiple errors in a factual book are relevant to how much belief people will put into the parts that cannot be fact checked.

Thats just basic, and bizarre that people repeatedly pretend otherwise.

Thedom · 21/09/2026 22:50

Piers is delighted, he is really going to milk this.

As an aside, I can’t believe Piers has 4.5m subscribers and most of his videos get close to a million views, some getting over a million. 😲

CrowOfTheAutumn · 21/09/2026 22:51

The Times review calls the book a ‘violation of his sister’s memory’.

Sorry I don’t have a share token.

Earl Spencer’s memoir turns Diana’s story into a Shakespearean blood feud

https://www.thetimes.com/culture/books/article/swan-song-by-charles-spencer-review-wgbrszxkw

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https://www.thetimes.com/culture/books/article/swan-song-by-charles-spencer-review-wgbrszxkw

myrtleWilson · 21/09/2026 22:52

SeptemberRains · 21/09/2026 22:36

@CrowOfTheAutumn
Zac Goldsmith’s former brother in law and father of his 2 nephews - Imran Knan -is rotting to death in a Pakastani prison cell. Zac would be better spending his time and influence getting him released.

Edited

He has been extremely active working alongside his nephews to try to secure IK's release - are you unaware of this, or just looking for a sly dig?

SeptemberRains · 21/09/2026 23:04

@myrtleWilson
Not a sly dig. His work seems to be going under the radar. I hope it’s successful.

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 23:27

It’s one potential error that’s all.

It's not 'one potential error'.

The photos were taken in 1993.

Piers Morgan joined the Mirror in 1995.

In what world is that a potential error?

RepercussionsMayVary · 21/09/2026 23:32

BunnyBunbunbun · 21/09/2026 20:56

Al-Fayed groped Diana at the very end of her life - that revelation wouldn't explain anything about the dynamics of her relationships.

Why would Charles Spencer have a greater insight into the shaping of Diana's psyche as they grew up then her sisters have - the sisters Spencer never told he was writing the book and whom he admits he hurt as a result. He was the longed-for son and heir. She was the disappointment of yet another daughter. Her sisters would understand that family dynamic and the effect it has better than him (he seems to be perpetuating it with his own children, he's so oblivious to it). Spencer was sent to boarding school from the age of 8. I suspect Diana's sisters had a better understanding of and affinity with Diana. One of them had even dated Prince Charles!

My point about Spencer not painting a nice picture of Diana was in response to a poster who was alleging - without any evidence whatsoever - that the royal family were smearing Diana, and I simply responded that Spencer's account of Diana is what is actually representing her in a bad light.

Of course, Spencer can write about whatever subject he wants, but - especially given his attack on King Charles for supposedly being beastly - it should also be pointed out that, rather than being the great defender of Diana, as he wants us to believe, his book and his interviews actually damage her reputation.

Not everything has to be said, there's no need to conduct a forensic analysis on every but of gossip or rumour, not every salacious tidbit needs to be advertised, not every smouldering grievance needs to be lashed out at. Diana really should just be left to rest in peace.

CS would have a greater insight into Diana’s pysche as they shared a unique and very early childhood trauma that had a greater impact on them both and did more damage than it did on their sisters.

There is a significant age gap between Diana and her two older sisters who are closest in age - one is 6 years older and one 4.5 years old we than Diana. They both went off to boarding school by 8 so Diana was only 3 when they were both gone - that was when CS was born and by the time he was 3 and Diana 6 the marriage had imposed and their mother left the family for Shand Kydde. Arguably CS and D experienced the worst of the abusive DV marriage at very young age and both were ‘abandoned’ by Frances and Old Spencer was unlikely to be parenting - so nurture was absent. The older sisters were 12 and 10 when their mother left so presumably a bit more stable with likely other anchors / foundations in their life at school. Diana was in the home as the main emotional comfort for CS from when he was 3 years old untill he was 6. Then (at 9) she was sent off to boarding school. CS suggests she has ADHD - many observable symptoms could be complex PTSD from childhood which they all would likely have developed to various degrees and we know now that the younger the trauma lands the deeper the impact on emotional development and regulation as we can see in the adult behaviours and addictions (self medication). So IMHO CS developed a unique trauma bond with his 6 year old sister from the age of 3. His experiences and interpretations are real and valid for his experience of their relationship.

TypingTootOnMyCommute · 21/09/2026 23:33

bluegreygreen · 21/09/2026 22:15

Piers Morgan's video statement on TwiX, for anyone who wants to watch it

Piers Morgan Uncensored

Ooft.

See this is the thing. If you are going to print shite about people, either make it shite that is impossible to prove or make it shite said by a dead person.

Cute touch re the donation though!

Thedom · 22/09/2026 00:04

CS would have a greater insight into Diana’s pysche as they shared a unique and very early childhood trauma that had a greater impact on them both and did more damage than it did on their sisters.

CS says in one of his recent interviews they had a very happy upbringing and their father was very caring and joyful, his account is very different to what Diana told Andrew Morton about a very traumatic lonely childhood.

He also said his father was not violent, but Diana recounts seeing her father slap her mother across the face.

Is,he trying to make Diana out to be a liar?

OneLilacHedgehog · 22/09/2026 00:26

Thedom · 22/09/2026 00:04

CS would have a greater insight into Diana’s pysche as they shared a unique and very early childhood trauma that had a greater impact on them both and did more damage than it did on their sisters.

CS says in one of his recent interviews they had a very happy upbringing and their father was very caring and joyful, his account is very different to what Diana told Andrew Morton about a very traumatic lonely childhood.

He also said his father was not violent, but Diana recounts seeing her father slap her mother across the face.

Is,he trying to make Diana out to be a liar?

No he is not. A slap across the face is violence, but may have been a one off that Charles never witnessed.
Your comment is bizarre.

AnyfoolcanknowThepointistounderstand · 22/09/2026 01:05

Is it not very coincidental that this book trashing the RF has landed at the same time as Hazmat and Megain returned to the UK, and obviously need to build sympathy, after their spectacular own goal when they tried to bring down the RF previously?

It seems glaringly obvious this was a collaboration, no?

AnyfoolcanknowThepointistounderstand · 22/09/2026 01:09

See also Hazmat's plan for a 'Diana documentary'.

Getting the interest in!

fuschiaproudparrot · 22/09/2026 02:51

TypingTootOnMyCommute · 21/09/2026 15:55

I understand him (and his family) not wanting the fuss and bother that Diana may well have brought with her. She was, after all, the most famous woman in the world at the time.

That said, this part stood out to me -

"Seriously though, there are farmhouses around here that may well not interfere with us, but I cannot afford to give them rent-free, although I wish I could. In theory, it would be lovely to help you out and I am sorry I can't do that.

And yet we were told the other day that he wasn’t short of money, had 40 million in liquid assets and 45-90 million in paintings.

I appreciate he said this 30 years ago but you would have thought he’d have had a couple of quid spare to let her live in one of his properties rent free.

I appreciate all families are different but I would (and have) helped family members out when they have needed it and will always do that.

He didn’t but still chooses to flog signed eulogies and make a few quid with a book. (Although that might be paying for the teeth).

When someone shows you who they are, believe them.

Quite!

gishgalloping · 22/09/2026 03:00

The Times Review:

As a small boy, Charles Spencer was known to his family as “Buzz” for his bee-like effervescence. Today, the buzzing is of a decidedly less innocent variety. The 9th Earl Spencer — former journalist, historian, godson to Queen Elizabeth, veteran of three divorces and, of course, the only brother of Diana, Princess of Wales — has re-entered the national conversation like a hornet in the royal enclosure.
We already know from the headlines that Spencer has accused King Charles of sounding “giddily elated” and “like a lottery winner” after Diana’s death. He also alleges that Charles casually told him that he was “so lucky” his father had died young because it meant Spencer came into his inheritance sooner. These revelations — “verbal homicide”, according to Andrew Marr — are very much in keeping with the picture Spencer paints of the King in Swan Song as a toxic compound of vanity and envy. Spencer claims that in his mid-forties Charles complained that despite employing 50 people, “my parents insist on treating me like — like a child”, before literally stamping his foot like a toddler. Spencer also claims, via a courtier, that Queen Elizabeth once said of her heir: “He always resents things… He even resented it when I taught him the alphabet.”

Reading the whole book, the rest of the family fare no better, being depicted variously as “envious”, “suspicious”, “petty”, “stuffy” and “sourly disapproving”. Prince Philip is revealed first as an art thief (he allegedly pinched paintings by Edward Seago from the artist), then, more predictably, as a bully. Spencer recalls being “shocked” at the bite of a “sudden outburst” he directed towards the Queen at the state opening of parliament in 1977. Princess Anne displays a total lack of “grace and manners”. Prince Andrew is remembered for smirking at a reference to “the Virgin’s womb” in church at Sandringham — which seems fairly mild under the circumstances.

But if the rest of the family are brought into sharp, unforgiving focus, William and Harry are kept at telephoto distance and are sketched with a soft-focus reverence that portrays them as perpetual icons of childhood innocence rather than real flesh-and-blood men.

The quality that Spencer hymns most often in his older sister is her “positive, modern, maternal” presence. “I have never, in my life, come across a better mother,” he writes — which probably won’t delight the three mothers of his own seven children. His fear, in the immediate aftermath of Diana’s death, was not simply that these two boys would be traumatised by their loss, it was that without her they would become Windsors — “dragged back into the archaic ways of the monarchy, just as they seemed set on the enlightened path picked out by their mother”. Indeed, this was the central anxiety of his eulogy at Diana’s funeral, which he apparently rehearsed alone 40 times. He pledged to his nephews that “we, your blood family”, would do all they could to steer the young princes “so that [your] souls are not simply immersed by duty and tradition”.

That “blood family” comment, we now know, was a furious response to Prince Charles’s (alleged) questioning of the Spencer clan’s “sense of duty”. And this points to the real animating force in the book. Beyond the screeching soundbites and nosebleed revelations, Swan Song is not just a defence of his sister, but a salvo in a Shakespearean blood feud between two aristocratic houses — a Montague-versus-Capulet drama played out in Barbour jackets and tweed where an “ancient grudge” becomes “new mutiny”.
Earl Spencer’s Princess Diana book: the 15 key claims
As Spencer is keen to point out, his family has far deeper roots in historic English and Stuart royal blood than the parvenu House of Windsor, whose ancestry leans heavily towards German princely houses. Spencer is careful to insist that his own house has never been anti-monarchy. They have served royalty “with patriotism rather than sycophancy” and have been “respectful of the Crown, but not afraid to hold its wearers to account”.

But he’s angry that the Spencers have been forced into the shadows of the Windsors. He says this was a fate suffered by his mother, Frances Shand Kydd, whose birth on the Sandringham estate in 1936 was eclipsed by King George V’s death on the same day less than a mile away. Then there was his father, whose alleged youthful romance with the future Queen was apparently crushed by Lord Mountbatten to make way for his nephew, Prince Philip.

Diana was apparently channelling ancestral swagger when during her darkest years she would whisper to herself like a battle cry: “Remember you’re a Spencer.” Her brother proudly declares that Diana thought the splendour of her family’s Northamptonshire seat “certainly knocked Highgrove into a cocked hat!” When she died, that dynastic pride turned bitterly proprietorial; the Spencers, he writes, had merely “lent Diana to the world for a decade and a half”.

There is a sense of anxious attachment woven through these pages. Spencer is convinced, after being diagnosed with ADHD as an adult, that his sister shared his emotional wiring. He writes of his neurodivergence leaving him open to rejection sensitive dysphoria, an excruciating vulnerability to perceived criticism. But where he excelled academically, Diana struggled with learning difficulties. “I will never forget her screech of pain, and her violent sobbing, on opening her O-level results,” he writes. She failed them all — and he believes that despite her global fame, “part of Diana was for ever caught up in that feeling of academic ‘failure’ foisted on her as a child”.

The roots of that vulnerability lay in the wreckage of their parents’ brutal separation when Diana was six and Charles was three, which left the four siblings (he has two more older sisters, Sarah and Jane) to be shuttled on long, desolate train journeys between cold boarding schools and divided homes. It generated a lingering, explosive rage, most vividly illustrated when Diana pushed her stepmother, Raine, down the stairs at the Spencer family seat of Althorp after she said: “I have always felt sorry for the Prince of Wales, marrying somebody quite as stupid as you.”

Still, as chewy as all this dynastic drama is, Spencer has a deeper project: a reckoning with the aristocratic omerta that governs British upper-class life. The book might as well have been subtitled: Why Are We So Messed Up?

Swan Song represents the second act in a crusade against the English stiff upper lip, following Spencer’s 2024 memoir A Very Private School, a harrowing account of his 1970s childhood at Maidwell Hall, where prepubescent boys endured relentless physical and sexual abuse.

The “reticence born out of good manners” that left Spencer defenceless against prep school abuse is the same code that isolated Diana at court, where protocol, discretion and performance justified emotional abandonment. The same strain of aristocratic survivalism starved a young boy in his dorm, denied a suffering princess support, and forced two grieving boys to march behind their mother’s coffin.
Swan Song avoids a straightforward chronology, moving instead in short chapters that alternate between Diana’s life story and the aftermath of her death. Spencer is accomplished at big set pieces, like the royal wedding and the funeral, but the rest of his story can feel like a mosaic of fragments and salvaged memories delicately fused together — an approach fitting for a man who, with slightly false modesty, describes himself as merely “a useful footnote to the endless fascination with Diana”.

Although you can sometimes feel Spencer straining to capture his sister over the course of 400 pages (he keeps repeating the phrase “enormous fun”), what makes Swan Song compelling is that he writes entirely as himself — there are no ghostwriters, no spin doctors or secret tapes here. He is now the custodian of his family’s grievance machine, weaponising vulnerability in the clamorous media arena. It reminds me of something Tina Brown wrote in her 2007 book The Diana Chronicles, that the princess “knew that the aristocracy of birth was now irrelevant. All that counted now was the aristocracy of exposure.”

Some readers will struggle with the more extreme allegations against the King. The alleged comments about forgetting Diana “soon enough” don’t quite have the tang of authenticity for me. However, a friend of Spencer’s has told me that he reported these conversations to them more than 20 years ago; it certainly makes sense in the context of the eulogy, the composition of which takes up a significant portion of the book.

It is entirely possible to find Swan Song both a violation of Diana’s memory and a fascinating example of historical myth-making. Earl Spencer is adept at reframing every media opportunity as a solemn act of brotherly devotion. Yet several things can be true at once and I can’t help sympathising with his fury at Buckingham Palace’s ice-cold administrative machine, which made Diana’s life so hellish.
Why now? Spencer has pegged the release round the approaching 30th anniversary of Diana’s death; more cynical commentators point to the soaring maintenance costs of Althorp, three divorces and seven children. Whatever his motives, Swan Song reads like his frantic attempt to press his family’s seal into the wet cement before the slab sets for ever. The fear is that future historians will accept the House of Windsor’s polished façade as the original stone.

The danger for Spencer is that he might have overplayed his hand and transformed real human suffering into theatrical score-settling. I suspect much of the public will tire of the noise, look upon both battlements, and simply conclude: “A plague on both your houses.”

ChoppyWalters · 22/09/2026 05:23

A clip came up of Morgan, think it was filmed in August, where he said that Diana’s mum was an alcoholic and he had every sympathy for Diana for her difficult upbringing. He said that her mum regularly called him when drunk to have long rambling chats. Tragic if true but what a git for saying that, no need to at this point.

BunnyBunbunbun · 22/09/2026 07:06

ChoppyWalters · 22/09/2026 05:23

A clip came up of Morgan, think it was filmed in August, where he said that Diana’s mum was an alcoholic and he had every sympathy for Diana for her difficult upbringing. He said that her mum regularly called him when drunk to have long rambling chats. Tragic if true but what a git for saying that, no need to at this point.

I guess he's thinking if Earl Spencer's going to throw all the muck around and reveal people's private conversations then why shouldn't he, especially since Spencer is the one who brought him into the conversation by mentioning him in his book. Although, unlike Spencer, he's not revealing the actual content of the conversations, just that he had them.

Morgan is also considering legal action against Spencer for alleging in his book that Morgan was editor of the Mirror when it published the Diana gym photos - except he wasn't the editor at that time. Spencer can't even be bothered to do basic fact checking yet lashes out with wild, inaccurate accusations. Seems like his eternal grievances are based on misunderstandings and nonsense he made up.

BunnyBunbunbun · 22/09/2026 07:23

RepercussionsMayVary · 21/09/2026 23:32

CS would have a greater insight into Diana’s pysche as they shared a unique and very early childhood trauma that had a greater impact on them both and did more damage than it did on their sisters.

There is a significant age gap between Diana and her two older sisters who are closest in age - one is 6 years older and one 4.5 years old we than Diana. They both went off to boarding school by 8 so Diana was only 3 when they were both gone - that was when CS was born and by the time he was 3 and Diana 6 the marriage had imposed and their mother left the family for Shand Kydde. Arguably CS and D experienced the worst of the abusive DV marriage at very young age and both were ‘abandoned’ by Frances and Old Spencer was unlikely to be parenting - so nurture was absent. The older sisters were 12 and 10 when their mother left so presumably a bit more stable with likely other anchors / foundations in their life at school. Diana was in the home as the main emotional comfort for CS from when he was 3 years old untill he was 6. Then (at 9) she was sent off to boarding school. CS suggests she has ADHD - many observable symptoms could be complex PTSD from childhood which they all would likely have developed to various degrees and we know now that the younger the trauma lands the deeper the impact on emotional development and regulation as we can see in the adult behaviours and addictions (self medication). So IMHO CS developed a unique trauma bond with his 6 year old sister from the age of 3. His experiences and interpretations are real and valid for his experience of their relationship.

So you believe Charles Spencer when he diagnoses Diana as having ADHD? Which means, according to Spencer, that she had a mental health issue that resulted in disorderly behaviour, impulsiveness and relationship problems.

"Adult attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a mental health disorder that includes a combination of persistent problems, such as difficulty paying attention, hyperactivity and impulsive behavior. Adult ADHD can lead to unstable relationships, poor work or school performance, low self-esteem, and other problems."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/adult-adhd/symptoms-causes/syc-20350878

noonames · 22/09/2026 07:31

Blimey, the fuss on here when people armchair diagnose their partners or children, yet CS diagnosing his long dead sister, with whom he had little contact as an adult - all AOK 👌

OneLilacHedgehog · 22/09/2026 07:32

BunnyBunbunbun · 22/09/2026 07:23

So you believe Charles Spencer when he diagnoses Diana as having ADHD? Which means, according to Spencer, that she had a mental health issue that resulted in disorderly behaviour, impulsiveness and relationship problems.

"Adult attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is a mental health disorder that includes a combination of persistent problems, such as difficulty paying attention, hyperactivity and impulsive behavior. Adult ADHD can lead to unstable relationships, poor work or school performance, low self-esteem, and other problems."

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/adult-adhd/symptoms-causes/syc-20350878

Charles Spencer said he has ADHD and he can see the signs in Diana of ADHD.
None of us know if Diana had ADHD or trauma that can often look like ADHD.
I know it's common though on here for people diagnosed with ADHD to say they think other family members show the signs.