PR disasters thread 30

[BigWillyLittleTodger]

Flying through these threads at a rate of knots! A shiny new thread for yet more Sussex shenanigans!

Which of the above categories do the Sussexes belong to?

Fair enough. I stand corrected (and also pleased as I did think Dairy had erred). But also shows how this will end up being reported and remembered, which is also important.

Geri will be Meg's new best friend in the world ever (until the Horners run for the hills)

I find this argument that the monarchy needs to "modernise" (i.e. do what the speaker wants) funny considering that we have two divorced people on the throne and that would have been unthinkable some years ago. If that's not keeping up with the times, then I don't know what is.

The Scandinavian countries have tiny populations compared to Britain. Sweden, the largest, also styles the grandchildren of the monarch, even from younger children, as prince/princess.

Not sure the Norwegian monarchy is a role model for the UK. Even in Denmark, I don't think there was an actual rule change, Margrethe simply removed the title from the children of her younger son (one of whom had been working as a fashion model using the title Nikolai Prince of Denmark).

There has obviously been an attempt to pare back the use of the title prince/princess in the UK (see Louise and James, and there may have been a plan for Harry's kids not to have the title), but it doesn't really matter and I think it makes more sense for such a rule change, if there is to be one, to be done in the future when the relevant generation comes to deal with the issue, if there is an actual issue.

Good point re the divorced K&Q. Also I have been brought up by republican parents and influenced by republican grandparents, so a lot of my views, have probably come from them regarding the streamlining, I’ve been hearing it for decades. But at some point there will need to be a rule change. Prince and Princess in the 22nd century? It’s all a bit silly…

considering that we have two divorced people on the throne

Strictly speaking, KC3 was widowed prior to his second marriage.

I forgot to add, I don’t think in 20/30 years, we will have a monarchy at all, and if we do, which I doubt, certainly not in its current form.

As far as Harry's visa 'issues', there is no 'official' investigation underway by USCIS or the Dept of State. What's pending in court is a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request by Heritage Foundation to obtain his records. FOIA cases are civil, not criminal. So at this point he's in no danger of being arrested as an 'illegal immigrant' or for 'committing fraud'. For that to happen USCIS would have to open an official investigation and make findings that he violated the law and issue a warrant etc etc. I don't know if an investigation would suit Trump's agenda or not, and that would be the deciding factor. I know he doesn't like them, but they'd be small potatoes to him, he has bigger 'enemy fish' to fry.

IF they left due to 'visa issues' it's because there's something they don't want seen by the public if the FOIA request succeeds and are hoping that by leaving the whole thing will drop. Because Heritage will defo release those records if there's anything in there that will suit their purposes. And them leaving doesn't automatically stop that case from proceeding. Personally I don't know what could be so terrible. Everyone knows he used drugs, nobody really cares. The fact that he most likely lied about it is pretty much accepted and again, no one really cares. And if he didn't lie and they let him in anyway, so what? Plenty of 'famous' people have been let in who have used drugs and admitted it. The only difference with Harry is that he's currently on the 'wrong side' of the majority political party. If there were to be any fingers pointed it would be at the Biden Administration for 'letting a person of 'not good moral standing' in.

No, I think their return is much more likely to be for financial reasons and/or staking a claim to 'being a part of the RF' when 'in the fullness of time' it will be William in charge. I think the 'demotion' of AMW has probably scared the shit out of them and although I hope that KC has many years ahead of him, HAM may either know something we don't (hopefully not) or they're just thinking far, far ahead.

I think we can 'look forward' to HAM carrying out what they feel would be 'royal appearances' in the hopes of 'play the game, get the name'.

Just come through on news
Harry has stepped down from African Parks.
I’ll see if there’s a link anywhere

It's upthread.

He was kicked off, as far as I know

Er, no. Charles and Diana divorced in 1996, before she died.

Yes, I know that, but if the issue is questioning people being married after divorce (Head of Church of England), his wife was dead, so he was widowed.

Now, whether he should have married a divorcee is another question ...

And whether he can still be considered divorced, when the person he was divorced from has died, is a third question again.

I HAVE diplomatic family. My three cousins were born in different countries, and my cousin has had four different postings in the past seven years.

I know that as kids they felt the consequences of the relocation, the private schools abroad from their parents for "consistency", and the fact my cousin has chosen not to have children to drag around after her as a result.

It might be necessary to some professions, but that doesn't mean it's a good or neutral thing. And no obvious stunningly good reason for it on this case.

IMHO, in 12-18 months Geri will become the second member of the Spice Girls branch of the Sussex Survivors Club.

She can compare notes with Posh!

Oh sorry. I didn’t check back far enough.
I haven’t been able to stop crying over the policeman killed on the A66. I grew up in the area, still live near, and it’s really knocked me for 6. Bit all over the place!

Won't take that long. HAM friends have a short shelf life

https://archive.is/fWc6L
anyway There’s the link.
Told you I was all over the place!

What on earth is in this for the Horners? HAM are such a toxic brand

That is a good point, and I used to think let them keep the HRH but with the febrile nature of comms around the issue a broad brush might be easier at this point.

Thinking about it, I really don't understand the financials. All this hooha is unlikely to result in new long-term revenue streams, which is what they need. So at the moment it's whatever As Ever is still bringing in, and the website stats are not encouraging; M's commission if anyone buys her outfits through her clothing website - but she hasn't really been seen a lot since Australia so how much can that be bringing in; possibly H's salary as ChImpO at Better Up (but how well is that doing/how sustainable is that?); residuals from their TV show (if that's how the Netflix model works).

Even without the security costs, that really doesn't feel like enough to pay for the lifestyle they appear to think they should have. How can they afford to keep paying for Montecito if they aren't there? I don't personally believe there's a Portugese property, but all the same, even if they rent somewhere in the UK, that's still on top of US mortgage outgoings of almost half a million dollars a year.

I have never seen/heard him do anything in relation to Better Up. What on earth is a Chief Impact Officer?? As for his ridiculously filtered headshot

Do you mind me asking if you would have an idea if Harry got IPP status ie diplomatic status would that have bearing on the whole situation disappearing into the either. They seem awfully keen on this security being reinstated. It seems that it’s now the government to blame for letting Afghani asylum seekers into the country.

You can't 'get' IPP status. It's a privilege accorded to accredited diplomats, something Harry has never been and will never be.

Even if RAVEC do decide the family will be provided with security while resident in England, that places no obligations on any other countries.

Thanks for this.