If you don't believe the Sussex children are real....

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... can you explain it to me? So many comments on media articles etc saying oh it's because the kdis aren't theirs, they're actors, they have no kids, they just rent them for photos.

Archie was born in England, the Royal family met him, she was photographed with a tiny baby.
Do you think it was a doll or someone was paid to hand over their baby for a photo?
Who are these people who rent our their kids for photos? Why don't they sell their exclusive story for millions?
Why has no one around her, or where the kids reportedly educated, done the same?
What happens when the "kids" become adults and can't reasonably be kept out of sight? Will they "kill" them off, come clean or adopt a couple of fake actors to play the role?

Can you explain what changes have been made to the royal system as a result of their actions?

No changes, the palace doesn't do changes that's why we are stuck with this antiquated system
However how they and the media treat someone who is a bit different from the norm will be interesting to view in years to come

Right. Well that does contradict your claim that they changed things and shook things up.

So no changes. But you think the media has changed as a result of them? Can you say what they did that you believe will cause the media to react differently in the future? Which specific actions?

Yes. People like to fete her as some monarchy-disrupting icon, but she’s clearly in thrall of the whole thing, hence the monogrammed stationary and the insistence on titles.
I was a big fan at first, especially when they announced Archie would go by Master, and when she seemed more outspoken on social issues. Now it’s trad wife central.

I never said they changed things. I said they shook things up

Well the latest married in was a divorced, single mum and NHS worker.

But what does that mean?

Shaking things up means to change things.

I think they shone a light on the media and the monarchy

I have seen children that are 3/4 white that are darker than their 1/2 mixed parent. You never know what colour anyone is going to be, what does it matter anyway.

I actually agree with you on this.
I think they bent over backwards to welcome her (trip with Queen v early on, offers of mentoring etc etc.)
But it’s still an archaic, deeply messed up institution, with a weird symbiotic relationship with the media, and in great need of scrutiny.

And the previous one wasn't aristocracy.

There was a lovely photo of the Duchess of Gloucester with her granddaughters at Ascot last week, including her part-Maori granddaughter.

... which the Sussexes had no impact on, whatsoever.

What light? They love the limelight and being royal. I suppose they shone a light on themselves.

Indeed

... which the Sussexes had no effect on.
They did nothing.

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That twerking video was totally shameful. They are an embarrassment. Titles removed and Harry and descendants withdrawn from the line of succession. Surprised they have got the cheek to show their faces in this country again.

Surprised they have got the cheek to show their faces in this country again.

Or, indeed, the face to show their twerking cheeks...<wibble-wobble>

It was a bit cringy. But what makes it shameful?

Because they do ridiculous things!! , and I’m confused? On the Andrew thread you have found that the LOS including him to be problematic, now it’s not important!
care to clarify your stance?

People are still talking about Hitler, Stalin and Jack the Ripper! Your point is?

If you didn't see them as you claim then you have no idea of the depths.

The only reason people are still talking about them is because they provide constant content to talk about! I can’t see how they have shaken up the monarchy at all, nothing has changed, and why would it? They are irrelevant to the future of the monarchy and will get more irrelevant as time marches on, they are just an entertaining side show, a cheap soap opera that we tune into a few times a week.