Very cute photo of lovely rescue puppy

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Fucking fed up with MNHQ deleting threads. They just deleted my thread 'Er...whatever happened to LadyEvenstar's thread?'

Re DBF and her possible ban, her FB page is Vallhala MN.

I think that is true ThunderBolt. Find me a thread that has kicked off that does not involve wanting a dog rehomed for spurious reasons or that does not involve breeding for spurious reasons.

Also if the 'breeders' are not BYBs and they love and care for their dog why are they asking advise on parenting forum? Breeders have vets and other breeders they could turn to for advise and their own, knowledgable, supportive forums. If these 'breeders' researched anything at all before placing their bitch in such a dangerous position, they'd know that.

I think the "we are here to make parents' lives easier" comment gets right to the heart of this problem. Some of us (DBF more than anyone) don't think an easy life for parents is more important than a dog's wellbeing or even life. Others clearly do. And this is primarily a parenting site, not an animal welfare or dog owners one, so I guess their view must carry more weight.

Agree completely with DejaWho about this not being a friendly space for all women. Though admittedly maybe it was never intended to be (the clue is in the name after all). There are many good things about this place, but I'm not sure it's for me any more, and the main things pushing me away are the relentless dog-hating (another day, another anti-dog thread in AIBU ), and also the absolute contempt for women who are not mothers that seems to be tolerated.

It's a real shame about DBF though. This will be a lesser place without her, in many ways.

Everyone who is pro-DBF, could I ask you to post in the thread on AIBU as well as this one Justine is posting on that too (there is a part 2 thread) and we want her to see lots of pro DBF comments. Sorry if you have already and thanks!

Thunderboltkid, you can post wherever you like of course but I started this thread to support DBF. If you're pleased she's gone then may I suggest that you start your own thread for that purpose? Thank you.

What I intend to do is to not post any helpful advice on either here - if everyone who is sickened by the demonising of the doghouse did similar, then MN would be stuffed in their attempts to trade on expertise without actually treating the posters in here equally.

I hereby shall only post on matters of pressing importance such as which is the superior Quality Street - green triangles or those horrid overrrated big purple ones.

Er quite, Thunderbolt which is why I said, "you can post wherever you like of course..."

I think you're just after an argument though so I will not engage...

I was on MN yesterday and read part of the TLES thread, before I was recalled to deal with RL. DBF was actually quite restrained on that thread from what I read and so to come on here this morning and find that she has been banned is quite unbelievable.

I don't agree with her posting style, as I don't agree with a few posters in here, who have quite an aggressive attitude. But her posting style had changed recently and she was obviously taking on board the warning that she had received from MNHQ. So to have been banned for that thread, is just ridiculous.

There are lots of topics that are quite emotive on MN including dogs, I am aware that Val/DBF works in rescue and does a lot of great things in that respect, that she is passionate and committed about dogs, but the abrasive attitude at times does not help. I understand being emotional about a subject that you feel strongly about, but sometimes you achieve more by being dispassionate. I worked with families affected by DV, I've had service users that I personally thought of as scum of the earth, but I don't let that affect the way I deal with them, otherwise I would be of help to no one.

I have read her other posts (non dog house) and they are helpful/funny/insightful and she is a poster that has a useful contribution to make to a thread. So I can understand where MNHQ are coming from about the attitude problem, but I think she has been trying hard recently to tone down the hectoring and didn't deserve a ban for this.

TK, the Doghouse is NOT ruled by any one person's views. There is every opportunity for people who are not rescue advocates to say whatever they like. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I'd welcome puppy farmers with open arms. I'd love to hear them engage in debate, and tell us all about what they do. I'm unashamedly pro rescue and anti puppy farming, but I've had many occasions where I've supported/helped/congratulated people who have puppies or pedigree dogs. Hell, our greyhounds are pedigrees, just that their breeding isn't recognised by the KC.

There were/are many issues on which I don't agree with DBF - even though we are both pro rescue.

Can anyone who knows other forums that DBF is on possibly PM me please? I have her FB page but am reluctant to 'friend' her as I'd possibly out myself on here and I've posted some pretty personal stuff. (This ISN'T to say I don't trust DBF of course, just healthy paranoia!)

Thank you.

DBF, if you're reading this, really wish you were here! I read your letter to MNHQ on FB and I agree with every word. REALLY can't see the fuss about the JRT whelping thread!

The ban was fair.
She has been repeatedly warned about her aggressive posts, and chose to ignore them.
It does not matter which was the straw that broke the camel's back - whether TLES is out of order or not - DBF had been banned for being aggressive previously, and was allowed back on the understanding that she would stop. She didn't, so that's that.

Whether any of you like it or not, the ban is fair.

But TK, all I can do is post as I do. Personally, I try (not always successfully) to be reasonably polite, but I can't control what other people think of the Doghouse, especially when there are people who have been posting on some of these threads who I never see here, yet are quite happy to describe us as "torn fishnets and no knickers", or a rabid gang of pro rescue ninjas who will assassinate anyone with a pedigree pupster. The reality is (and again, I'm repeating myself here) is that the vast majority of posts in the DH are about things which affect all dog owners - poo, for instance, or worms, or training, or the best sort of wellies, or how to find a good behaviourist. What wellies you use for dog walking have nothing to do (as far as I know) with whether your dog comes from a rescue, a breeder or the bloke down the road. Kennel cough can affect anyone's dog. All of us get annoyed by fireworks.

I've seen hosts of posts where people have asked for help with a whole variety of issues and have been given it, willingly, kindly, promptly by not just rescue peeps, but by vets, breeders, and behaviourists. Let's not forget the regular posters here include people who ARE reputable breeders (yes, I do think there is such a thing) several vets, vet nurses, farmers, rescue volunteers etc. One of the things I like is the multiplicity of views and perspectives. I think this is a case of "Give a dog a bad name" (groan).

It's also a pity that the many postive outcomes don't get so widely broadcast.

Well I am a reg on DH and I have not one but 2 pedigree dogs. I am also pro rescue. The two are not mutually exclusive.

scuttle good post.

Good God. I did wonder why some puppy photo was getting so many responses.

I don't know what has gone on but I am familiar with Valhalla - is that DBF? If so then my experience of Valhalla is that the poster was very good at winding people up and stirring.

Now I don't care much about the doghouse either way, but this is primarily a parenting site and therefore you are going to get lots of opinions on dogs. I don't go to the doghouse threads because I don't have a dog but you cannot stop others from going on there and posting their anti-dog opinions. Perhaps a separate dog forum might be better?

But in any case you are soon to be rumbled as no puppy photo would attract this many responses.

I have had a rescue GSD before, she was with us for years before she went to doggie heaven. She was our second GSD that our family had.

I have a particular 'type' of dog (GSD) that I like and my family like. AFter having a couple of bad experiences a long time ago with rescue GSDs and trying to get a GSD that was good with small children etc etc it just wasnt right for us this time. I didnt want a staffie or a lab or any of the other dogs in rescue that they offered us. And after being 'told' that a greyhound was suitable with my (then) baby and toddler and 2 cats I decided that the rather famous rescue organisation knew nothing, hadnt listened and just wanted rid of a dog.

I could go on, but I think that is enough for now. Oh and I used to help out at a GSD rescue, so knew what crap previous owners spouted

So, I needed a dog that was good with cats, little people and wasnt totally FUBAR before its second birthday! AFter my old GSD died a couple of years ago I knew of a GSD breeder locally who bred the working line dogs that we love. I researched, went along to dog club, saw her dogs and it turned out that I knew them but didnt realise it.

Anyway we got Loofa, he is a superstar dog, you know that he was very very ill last year, nearly lost him and decided that in the next litter we would get a girl. So we did.

Now that my children are much older, it is much more feasible for us to get a rescue dog - and next time that is what DH and I have decided to do.

We are very much a 2 dog household (although when I foster on emergency basis it goes to 3) and my 2 youngsters have hopefully many years to live with us until it will be time for doggie heaven.

~Sorry if this is a bit garbled, trying to multi task, sort out dogs, DH and eat lunch!

Ask me whatever you want about my dogs, Im an open book.

Just had a wee look at the PUBLIC wall page of Valhalla's FB page. Some terrible name calling of a mumsnetter on there that will not go down too well. If she wants the ban lifting, then she ain't doing herself any favours by publicly saying that a poster is a liar, is unhinged and also telling people that she knows the poster's real name (threat?)

It is Valhalla after all, an infamous Mumsnetter who didn't make many friends the first time round.

Now there's a surprise, all off to facebook no doubt.

Are you finished stirring it up now? Sure you've reported this thread since you seemed so eager to earlier. The post on FB is already on the relevant thread in the sHite stuff forum btw - at Val's request - so I hate to burst your bubble on the earthshattering revelation.

Hell of a lot of shit stirring going on to be honest, coupled with lots of gloating. Would say it makes things stick in my throat but nup the green triangles are going down just fine.

BeerTricks, I believe even Val warned everyone on facebook that wall posts were public. And they are. I can see them.

I'm not involved in your little war. Just don't like to see anyone, no matter who it is, bitched about in such disgusting terms for all to see.