Eastenders -"We want a Sherlock emoticon, and we want it now!"

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Couldn't see a new Eastenders thread, so I thought I'd start one. Apologies if this is a duplication.

Great to hear Christian could be coming back.

And don't forget the attempted drowning

Good God I know 'Stenders love a bit of family turmoil but last nights second episode has wiped me out!

I didn't think Lee kissing his mum was at all creepy

Loved the second episode last night and the performances from everyone were solid. Felt very much for Shirley.

Have they got new producers or directors or something? I feel as if the whole production of the show has become really impressive rather than what we'd expect from soaps. Last night with Stan listening to Unforgettable and the other scenes going on while it played in the background - it was really well done and great to watch.

And as I mentioned previously, when Linda and Dean were telling their sides of the story at the same time, it was beautifully written and thought provoking. And brilliantly acted.

Lucy was strangled - as my friend just reminded me! So after me telling her my Peter and lexi toy/ mobile theory she has come up with this:

Peter gave lucy coke. Lucy was in Billy/Lola house and got tangled up in mobile due to drug overdose - it's strangled her and she died. Jane helped Peter dump the body.

There was a lot going on in last night episodes, but sometimes it can happen like that in families. Where everything comes tumbling down all at once. Shirley only confessed she was Micks mum because he was hitting Dean after the rape. So one things led to another and we've seen a happy stable family fall apart.

Lucy was strangled? The only information I've been able to find on cause of death was a newspaper article on the EE website which said it was a head injury.

sure lucy was strangled, said it before .......

I'm sure I got that information from an EE thread.

wow i had soap overload last night double EE double Emmerdale was a very happy bunny

Lucy died from trauma to her head and there were no obvious wounds on her so don't think she was strangled.

on any tabloid reporting of the clue from the NTAs, they all report it as "the last thing Lucy heard was her music box" - yet many fans have now played that music back and it isn't the same.

It would be a poor show on EE's part if they had meant the music played at the NTAs to signal the music box but didn't go to the effort to make it the same music as Xmas day's episode

eg

metro.co.uk/2015/01/21/eastenders-spoilers-lucy-beale-musical-jewellery-box-clue-dropped-at-national-television-awards-and-heres-what-it-means-5031220/

www.digitalspy.co.uk/soaps/s2/eastenders/news/a623341/eastenders-who-killed-lucy-music-box-clue-unveiled-at-ntas.html

www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/music-box-key-lucy-beales-5020791

It is either bad reporting and stating that it's the music box or the EE team have overlooked the tune we have already heard. I hope I'm wrong and reporters have just jumped to conclusions about the sound's origins...I may be getting too into this this evening..

Maybe then une is a red herring? The last thing she heard was the mobile messages we did?!

Tbh I really dont hunk after all the effort going into keeping the killer a secret and a 10 month 'who done it' they would make a mistake with what music the box played!

I've just very carefully listened to all the music box sounds & I'm fairly sure that the one opened at Christmas is the same as the one played at the NTA. In the NTA clip they play the classic "Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day" bit but the not-very-wound-up box opened at Christmas plays the final line ridiculously slowly. I'm still not convinced it's the same as the one that Ian opened to find her drugs.

Other interesting points I noted that could be complete red herrings: In the Christmas day episode, Abi reminds the Brannings about taking the presents from under the tree. Emma packs them into bags to take. The camera cuts to Lauren looking a bit shifty while Cindy is opening the present. The writing on the present isn't very neat.

Oooohhhh.... Remember how they did that unnecessary shot of signatures when Ben signed over The Arches? Anyone remember what day that was? I need to do some handwriting comparison!

We've not heard anything about Ronnie recently have we?

I have a gut feeling that Whitney did it. My theory on the music box is only slightly more thought through. I think it was sent to Cindy as a warning to keep quiet. That girl knows more than she should on a regular basis.

Apologies if someone has already had that theory. Thread was to long to read from page 4 without skimming slightly, long day!

Right definitely not either Max or Ben who wrote the tag on Beth's present. The B's are different.

Good thought re: Whitney. I seem to remember noticing that her handwriting wasn't very neat, although Tamwar did mention something about her style being to write in capitals... I'll do a bit more research...

Whitney wrote the rot in hell tag on the flowers.

Yes, I've just found a picture of it & I don't think it's the same handwriting. It's tricky to tell because there are no capital Bs on it but the R looks very different to the B of Beth. Hmm... How long do you think it'll take me to collect writing samples of all the characters?! Probably longer than DH will be patient with me tapping on the laptop for!

Still think jane

I don't think any of the lot dermot said was it

I saw a theory maybe on here....? That maybe Peter gave her drugs and didn't help her when she died and that's why Emma yelled on the phone ITS STILL MURDER.

Although a police officer would definitely know the definition of murder. So it has to be someone over the age of criminal responsibility, can't be neglect or manslaughter etc.