Could Mumsnet clarify the purpose of the sex and gender forum?

[Lexibletheflexible]

Can we get some clarification on the actual "purpose" of the sex and gender forum, please?

Many members on there seem to allude to it being for GC people rather than to discuss issues related to gender and sex. They make posts like this one:

"and the overall purpose of the sub forum."

What is this "overall purpose" that some members seem to be privy to and isn't outlined in the group title?

I can show various other posts by regular members who seem sure of the same thing. I think it would help all of us if we understood what the site/staff intended its purpose to be.

It's the eyes xxx I don't live in Scotland though.

So you've gone from claiming that certain unnamed MN posters "habitually" do these things to a rather weak "we will see" left hanging in the air.

Exactly.

Mm, the list is not forthcoming, is it. And i don't expect to see a raft of deletions based on Lexible 's reports either.

It's all just huff and puff. Never anything of substance in these claims. Anyone carrying on these alleged behaviours would be robustly dealt with by moderators.

He's beautiful, I'll take him.

Justine posted on 15/06/2021 to explain what the purpose of this board is. I think it's fair to say that they underestimated the proportion of MNers who appreciate the content that has been diverted to this board, because this board has 1134 pages of threads, and the Feminism: Chat board has 51 pages of threads. I guess as much as you can own the forum, you can't own the minds of the posters.

Justine said:

"Is Mumsnet hiving gender-critical feminists off into a ghetto? Are we ashamed of them?

Just to be clear, there’s no hiving off of the debate - we intend to streamline the topics in the FWR category from five down to two: one ‘Sex/Gender debate’ topic, and one Feminism Chat topic. This doesn’t mean that every thread mentioning sex or biology will be moved to the ‘Sex/Gender debate’ topic, which would as many of you have pointed out be unworkable and odd. It’s not about pushing gender-critical feminists into a ghetto, but it is about clearly signposting where people can find conversations - between all kinds of feminists - of the ‘what does it mean to be a woman, are trans women women, is trans-inclusive feminism/activism/language impacting on women’ variety, and providing a separate topic without conversations of that kind.

It won’t be news to anyone here that there are feminists who are intersectional/fourth wave/transinclusive/liberal (however you wish to classify them) who say the passion and preponderance of the gender-critical viewpoint in the current Feminism Chat area means they simply don’t engage with the Feminism topic at all (thousands of Mumsnet users have hidden it altogether). To quote one email we received this morning, ‘There is definitely a sense that Feminism Chat is only a place to discuss gender critical feminism. Any posts which question GCism get flooded with hundreds of hostile responses. Which might be more fair if MN was an explicitly GC site, but it portrays itself as a space for all feminism.’"

www.mumsnet.com/talk/site_stuff/4267223-Any-chance-of-a-review-of-the-FWR-moderation-rules-in-light-of-Maya-Forstaters-success-in-court-please?page=7

Why would they need to do that?

I guess not everyone is comfortable on every board, but the wilds of mumsnet are quite vast.

Because some members seem to believe it was set up for GC people or allude to some purpose of the board that doesnt seem clear in the description.

Did you look at @Lougle 's post?

So what though? Does it matter if some people have different opinions on this? Nobody is stopping you posting.

No they don't. You're making things up.

"Which might be more fair if MN was an explicitly GC site, but it portrays itself as a space for all feminism.’"

This is part of what I want clarified. If it is a GC board, just say it.

No I'm not. I linked one post talking about this purpose in my OP

Yes it does matter because if it is to give GC people a home to have their views and not be challenged, then indeed people who do challenge them are intrusive. If it is a GC board, then that should be transparent. It would then make sense why some personal attacks against individuals and groups stand and other do not.

For instance, someone said that anti-GC views are an "illness". In a neutral board, I could then also refer to GC views as an illness and it not be deleted. It would just be my opinion.

You've missed the point. She was saying that MN as a whole is a broad church. Not that that forum necessarily is. There is another feminism board.

Hardly any traffic, mind.

Have you tried doing that? Go for it, I bet it will stand. If the other post existed in the first place.

Have you tried posting that 'sex reality views are an illness' and been deleted for it?

People challenge them constantly! They only get deleted if they are breaking MN guidelines.

No - YOU do. It's literally the reason you started this thread.

What did the mean lady say to you on that thread that's got you so wound up?

If is very clear that you are wilfully misunderstanding.

Also, if someone did indeed refer to anti-GC views as an "illness", I don't find that acceptable. Can you point to the post where that was said? Either way, it's one person's opinion, not that of the board or the site as a whole.

Did you report the post?

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