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New topic for discussion of the Middle East conflict and a word on our moderation

55 replies

JustineMumsnet · 19/10/2023 09:29

Hi all

We’ve had tonnes of feedback about our moderation of these discussions so we thought it worth explaining our principles/ thought processes.

First thing to say is that as MNers and parents we empathise with the absolute abhorrence and distress experienced by so many as a result of this conflict.

In recent days, understandably, there has been an unprecedented surge in the number of reports we’ve received, underlining just how hurt and divided people are about the ensuing conflict in Israel & Gaza. We are aware that wherever we intervene or draw lines it won’t be right for some, but we want to give some clarity on our approach so that folks can better understand our decisions.

Our guiding principle is to allow Mumsnetters to express their opinions, so long as they are civil and within the boundaries of the law and common decency, even when those opinions are challenging or unpalatable to some others.

We do not believe that criticism of Israel’s actions is necessarily anti-Semitic. We do believe that it’s entirely fair to call out and condemn Hamas for the terrorist organisation that they are. But we encourage posters to focus on specific actions rather than making sweeping generalisations about anyone based on their ethnicity, religion, or nationality. Failure to do so is likely to break our guidelines.

We obviously can’t verify the accuracy of every post on the site - we have around 30000 posts a day and frankly even the large news outlets, which have editorial control over the content they produce, seem to be struggling with accuracy in a chaotic and fast moving situation. Mumsnet is first and foremost a forum for discussion and whilst we take moderation very seriously we don’t pre-vet posts and we rely on our users to challenge posts they feel are inaccurate or break our guidelines.

We completely understand that, at this time especially, not everyone can stomach contrary opinions about the rights and wrongs of this conflict. But we do not believe it would be right for Mumsnet to shut down all discussion of this topic - that would be anathema to what we’re here for.

What we can do, however, (and thanks to those who suggested it) is to create a temporary Middle East Conflict forum so that those who would rather not engage with these threads can hide them easily via your Talk settings. (You can also hide individual threads, and we’ll move threads into this topic when necessary).

There’s no solution that works for everyone in the way we moderate this. We do understand how distressing this situation is and we apologise if we’re taking a little longer than usual to respond to reports - suffice to say the team is somewhat stretched - but we are doing our level best to listen and navigate this as fairly and humanely as possible. Please bear in mind that our moderation team are human too and I’d ask you not to take your frustration at world events out on them. Thanks.

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Normalsizedsalad · 19/10/2023 09:30

Are you moving threads in or do you want people to help with reports so they can be moved?

Youneedtobelower · 19/10/2023 09:32

Good idea, well done

BeckyAMumsnet · 19/10/2023 10:06

Hello @Normalsizedsalad we will move threads when necessary - there's no need to report every thread to us as some may be better suited to other boards. Thank you.

Normalsizedsalad · 19/10/2023 10:10

Cool. Thanks Becky!

PurpleChrayne · 19/10/2023 10:10

Fair enough.

Nice that people get to file it away and not have to think about it, when it's a reality some of us can't escape.

But crack on.

ssd · 19/10/2023 10:13

Good post becky

Normalsizedsalad · 19/10/2023 10:14

PurpleChrayne · 19/10/2023 10:10

Fair enough.

Nice that people get to file it away and not have to think about it, when it's a reality some of us can't escape.

But crack on.

There is no way to avoid it when you open ANY news papers, turn on tv etc.
It doesn't need to be in 75 basically same threads on aibu/chat.
No need to be snarky.

I think there should be permanent world conflicts topic though. There are quite few ongoing

ssd · 19/10/2023 10:19

ssd · 19/10/2023 10:13

Good post becky

Sorry meant justine, that's not to say yours wasn't excellent too beckyGrin

CallieQ · 19/10/2023 10:23

Where is the new forum

AmIUnkind · 19/10/2023 10:27

Good call, glad you decided to go for it @MNHQ.

BeckyAMumsnet · 19/10/2023 10:29

ssd · 19/10/2023 10:19

Sorry meant justine, that's not to say yours wasn't excellent too beckyGrin

😁

MrsSkylerWhite · 19/10/2023 10:33

PurpleChrayne · Today 10:10

Fair enough.
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Nice that people get to file it away and not have to think about it, when it's a reality some of us can't escape.
**
But crack on.

You could say that about most posts on MN.

I’m very sorry it’s your reality but it’s not the reality of, say, many parents who would rather not read about terrible things happening to young children. Perfectly understandable.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 19/10/2023 10:37

Seems like a good solution IMHO.

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 11:19

I think you could do with investigating the accounts which are obviously being employed to derail conversation on this subject. It's quite obvious that this forum is being used to spread misinformation and propaganda as well as overwhelming normal discourse.

Perhaps a Hide Poster button would be an option so those of us not employed in such a disruptive capacity can continue conversation in the usual way.

EasternStandard · 19/10/2023 11:24

A new topic sounds a good idea

The increasingly heightened posts and division isn’t helped by AIBU etc

LolBeansandSalad · 19/10/2023 11:38

PurpleChrayne · 19/10/2023 10:10

Fair enough.

Nice that people get to file it away and not have to think about it, when it's a reality some of us can't escape.

But crack on.

Nice that people get to file it away and not have to think about it when on Mumsnet. That's all.

ApolloandDaphne · 19/10/2023 13:07

I hid the Covid topic for a while when there were just too many threads. It's a great option if you are struggling with things whether involved or not.

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 14:13

I don't see the point personally. Any posts expressing even mild concern for the Gazans are shouted down by dozens of .

Unithorn · 19/10/2023 14:36

PurpleChrayne · 19/10/2023 10:10

Fair enough.

Nice that people get to file it away and not have to think about it, when it's a reality some of us can't escape.

But crack on.

I'm not sure how you conclude that people who might not wish to engage in threads here (most of which are full of misinformation and descend into fighting) aren't thinking about it. For some MN is a lighthearted escape from reality and surely that's fine if people draw that boundary for themselves.

AmIUnkind · 19/10/2023 15:10

For some reason HQ aren't moving the "Do we know who bombed the hospital thread" in Chat. I reported it and they replied saying they were leaving it in Chat. Just for information - for anyone reading this thread.

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 15:12

AmIUnkind · 19/10/2023 15:10

For some reason HQ aren't moving the "Do we know who bombed the hospital thread" in Chat. I reported it and they replied saying they were leaving it in Chat. Just for information - for anyone reading this thread.

I've hidden that one because it's full of. There's no point arguing with them.

EasternStandard · 19/10/2023 17:03

flufferknutter · 19/10/2023 11:19

I think you could do with investigating the accounts which are obviously being employed to derail conversation on this subject. It's quite obvious that this forum is being used to spread misinformation and propaganda as well as overwhelming normal discourse.

Perhaps a Hide Poster button would be an option so those of us not employed in such a disruptive capacity can continue conversation in the usual way.

It feels quite stark atm

cakeorwine · 20/10/2023 08:14

I can see WW3 happening and people on MN calling for a separate WW3 topic so people can report any threads in the "wrong" place so it's out of sight, out of mind.

cakeorwine · 20/10/2023 08:17

There is a thread on anti-Semitism. Does that belong in that new section or should that be in AIBU?

What about the rules and morals of war? Where should that be? Is collective punishment of civilians legal? Should that be in there?

It's linked to the situation but also much wider than that.