UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

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UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

but quite clearly you can

lots of gay couples do have children

so to say that they can't is really a little odd

"natural" is a term you use to illustrate YOUR preferred code of ethics and practices

but it has no meaning and holds no water, I'm afraid

God, my head hurts!

I have read the BNP manifesto DP, Its just the same old shit wrapped in a new bow, nothing new, nothing worth the paper its written on!

transplants? have issues with those? Not very natural. Blood transfusions? Ditto. Antibiotics. Insulin?

Or are you a natural selection kind of guy? Survival of the fittest and the rest really should just go off and die?

The Church of England is BEING disestablished in a 'creeping fashion' according to some bishops.

Most of the bishops will go with the Lords reform and other faith leaders will sit in the Lords. Nothing major will happen while the Queen is alive though, and possibly not whilst Prince Charles is alive, but then he wants to be defender of 'faith' anyway.

That's the way these things are done. As with the creeping way we have been absorbed into the EU. That didn't exactly make the news either.

On another note...on one hand the UKIP claim they are very anti-big government but on the other they are in favour of building more prisons, policing more borders, restricting freedom of movement, religion and sexuality and cite Norway as a country to admire and imitate...

Which is it? You cannae have it both ways.

It's like those Christian Conservatives in the US who are very anti-state sponsored healthcare and believe fervently in health freedom and individual responsibility - unless it's about abortion / birth control - which apparently is a matter for government.

Alot of people agree with the BNP,
and those people deserve to be heard.....that's democracy.

You only have Labour to blame for the rise in the BNP's popularity...if they hadn't flooded the country with Muslims and Somalians, Nick Griffin would be still be a nobody.

Lenin/Greensleeves/Lulumaam, and anyone else who feels they have to respond to lincstash's homophobic dribblings here: can I direct you to his post of 22:21:04 last night. In response to the question "Do you think you'll stay posting on MN after the election...?" he said

"Ofc, lots of silly brainless people here to troll and flame.

If you think my posts are polemic then dream on, i haven't even started on SOME of my favorite looney left PC targets......."

It's really not worth engaging.

Zeph;

I think he was joking, if you're going to troll you don't normally announce it on a thread you know can be read by the whole of MN...

..He's a bit too intelligent for that...

Makes no odds whether it was a joke or not. I can't see any evidence of any intention other than to annoy/offend/upset. Unless he's really thick, which is possible I suppose.

thanks zepeherine. and i agree, trolling is not just making up crap. it is posting to offend and upset

i'm off for a

Of course it was a joke.

His posts are brilliant imo, and even if you don't agree with him, you can still like having him around, MN wont survive unless new people join and contribute..

MN has to move with the times, and times are changing (politically)...you must understand that.

Zeph is right.

Which is why I was hoping to watch Lincs and DP say outrageously offensive things to each other and get hotter and more annoyed the more the other agreed. . .

Leningrad - get us, having everything!

See what we have here is a concerted effort to obfuscate the argument. exactly the tactics you get from the gay brigade. So lets pull it back on point.

The function of being on this planet is simple. Its to promulgate the species. To that end, there is only one way that works, eggs and sperm. Without modern medical science interfering, theres only one way these two components meet - heterosexual intercourse. By definition, this is 'normal'.

Also y definition, thats the normal mode of reproduction. Ergo, homosexuality, for this purpose, is not normal. Its not possible to create new humans with two eggs or two lots of sperm. This is undeniable.

take away the medical or artificial intervention, then homosexuality, had it become the normal relationship of the majority, would have resulted in the extinction of the species. And in fact, not even the majority. You only need sufficient homosexuals in society to reduce the average birth rate per couple below 2.1 children, and the death rate outstrips the birth rate, and its curtains for humans.

So, anybody still want to argue that self destruction as a consequence of widespread homosexuality is normal for Darwinian evolution?

lincstash - well if you want to go down that route then homosexuality is a natual form of population control. and since the likes of you think britain is over populated then whats your problem?

btw you get gay animals - been proven iirc - nothing to do with religion or any other guff.

lol LG.

I have a soft spot for people who say 'this is undeniable'

It's right up there with

'you cannot disagree that' and 'scientists have PROVEN'

oops typo :D

who say my point is post = who say my points are wrong

OMG.

gather round. He's flipped.

meanwhile why are all free thinkers accused of being in a 'brigade'? i get this crap on the local paper site too. ffs i am a pacifist - i'm the last person to want to be militerised!!

oh because if they don't create a 'them' or a 'they'

they've got no-one to argue with.

And where's the fun in that?

I liked Greeny's earlier point. WHY DO YOU CARE?

lolol

Don't you have to be able to play the trumpet to be in the Gay Brigade, Lenin?