UKIP. I'm voting for them. This is why;

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UKIP want us out of the EU, I love Europe can't stand the EU.We pay 40 million a day to them
1)72% of our laws are now made in Brussells, from fuel taxes, farming,fishing and immigration.
2)We pay £40 million a day to be in the EU.
3)The Two richest countries in Europe-Norway and Switzerland are not even in the EU.
4)Under labour we now have 3.5 million extra people living in this country. We need proper border controls. Nick Cleggs policy is to count people in and out of the country, and force them to work in 'regions' totally unworkable. UKIP would keep our proud tradition of helping genuine asylum seekers.
5)UKIP does not appear to be anti-christian as do the other parties. The labour parties spin doctor Alistair Campbell said they "don't do God!" I do.
6)UKIP believes in holding referendums for the electorate on key local and international issues. I like this.
7)Crime is now out of contol, UKIP would build more prisons. Last but not least, Lord Pearson (leader) is 'posh' and does not try to hide it.

what about IVF, lincstash... that's not normal

the modern world has made great strides forwards, harking back to roman times as some arbiter and benchmark of what should be 'allowed' or 'normal' today is really a bit silly

they had vomitoriums for christs sake, and ate deliberately rotten meat (garum). not normal now. thankfully

I'm on my knees praying that the BNP make the political breakthrough they desperately need....if we get NG elected as MP for B&D....bloody fantastic, and brilliant for democracy..

do you really honestly believe that?

you keep waggling that maggot dp, somebody's sure to bite

lulu - she doesn't mean it half as much as she wants you to hear it.

i can't bear it. i really truly can't bear it

it makes me feel sick . i don't know how lenin keeps up such good grace.

There was no "medical science" involved in making our babies - just sperm, egg, syringe and yoghurt pot!

Of course I mean it, I don't want the BNP running the country, they're nowhere near ready for that, but I want a few BNP MP's. I want people in government who will represent me and people like me.

NG will stand up in the house of commons and say..

No, we don't want anymore immigrants in our country, and we are kicking out all the illegals who shouldn't even be here in the first place..

We will stop the Islamification of our country, and promote christianity.

Hetrosexuality and the traditional family will be promoted

British born people will go to the top of the housing list, asylum seekers and their 15 kids can naff off.

Oh dear.

I think you're confusing sexuality and parenthood. One's about who you're attracted to and the other's about making babies/bringing up children. Very different.

(wish there was a "Duh!" emoticon)

OK, OK, will step away from the thread...

Thank you DD for stepping away

but human relationships and sexuality are not just for procreation and perpetuation of the species, are they?

many heterosexual couples choose not to have children ,many can't have chldrne

defining a relatiopsnhip as normal partly by the abiltiy to procreate is inherently flawed

and yet here I still am...

The way we made our babies certainly wasn't 'ordinary' - it was wonderfully extraordinary - in the true sense of the word and we now have 2 extraordinary sons.

I wouldn't like to speculate on the hundreds of ways and means people through the ages have gone about making babies to be honest - I don't know enough about the last "million years" of human procreation.

Yes, of course to make a baby sperm and egg are needed - that's not really a great argument for anything is it? That's just human biology... [doh!]

Ahundredtimes - get me off this thread - are there any other threads with sane people I can get distracted by?!

The human body is made to produce children, A womans body prepares itself for a possible pregnancy everytime she has sex, that's nature...

Yes......

That's why hetrosexuality is natural and homosexuality isn't.

Bless...

Um, not if she is having sex with another woman

the human body is made for many functions other than procreating. Enjoying oneself, among others.

It's not your wonky conception of "normal" that's irksome. It's your presumtion of entitlement to bully everybody else in society to observing your preferences in their own lives. Why do you care who fucks whom?

So I suppose couples who have tried to have children and can't are also not natural?

And post-menopausal women?

And women born without wombs/can't produce eggs?

And men with zero sperm counts?

Blimey - there's a lot of us knocking around then!

the distinction between natural and unnatural behaviour is entirely false in any case, it's just another bolster for intolerance

we are "natural" creatures, so anything we do is "natural" - skyscrapers and power stations are just as natural as a beaver building a dam. And sexual attraction cannot be unnatural - it's a function of the animal that we are. People who call the behaviour of others "unnatural" are expressing nothing but their own unhealthy urge towards fascism.

I don't care who is fucking who, but homosexuals should accept they aren't doing things the natural way, and (imo) they shouldn't have children.....they want it all, you can't have it all.