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Ihateboris · 03/09/2026 20:11

Oh dear...how's he going to explain this?
Https://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-nigel-farage-filmed-undercover-celebrating-secret-new-foreign-donations

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RedTagAlan · 06/09/2026 15:18

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 11:08

Thanks for saying, but it has been good - at last - to have these issues highlighted and reinforced. I particularly was interested in your insight:

It's a multinational project by the new billionaires, using the old grifters as their current front guys. Hence Trump and Farage.

I would normally find much of this far-fetched, and as @RedTagAlan said steer away from conspiracies, but we have been linking to long-term careful articles on Orr and his sponsors and invitees to Cambridge. One of the most disturbing is Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve.

It's always the free speech card they play ain't it ?

We must challenge people to hear alternative points of view etc. When what they should be doing is pointing out the major flaws in the propaganda these characters churn out under the guise of "academic work".

It's a long time since the "bell curve" came out, and I can't remember the flaws, but I recall it was loaded with them.

Now here is the thing for me. And heads up, I am atheist. So apologies if this offends anyone. These people are really clever. Massively smarter than me, yet with planet sized brains, they are choosing to believe an iron age collection of books and are deciding their version of that is the blueprint of humanity.

Instead of, you know, producing a paper that says " Hey look, here is the evidence it is all true. Or at least the bits we like"

Here is the Jesus prayer they put a lot of importance on.

“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner,”

There is reams and reams of stuff written about this, And hey, of course it is totally fine for people to be religious. But don't force your ideas on the whole of society. If you really do think the world should be your Christian version, then be honest. Set up a Christian party with a manifesto and put it to the electorate. But no, instead they lie and cheat, potentially breaking secular law, to get what they want. I look at that prayer, and I think, prove point one please, and point 2, and wtf is a "sinner".

And they don't even see it, these people with planet size brains that teach ethics.

Daygloboo · 06/09/2026 16:23

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 13:16

I caught some of her interview with Matt Frei on LBC yesterday morning. I thought she was great. We (Conservatives) missed a trick not putting her in the House of Lords.

😂yes, she needs putting somewhere.

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 19:03

RedTagAlan · 06/09/2026 15:18

It's always the free speech card they play ain't it ?

We must challenge people to hear alternative points of view etc. When what they should be doing is pointing out the major flaws in the propaganda these characters churn out under the guise of "academic work".

It's a long time since the "bell curve" came out, and I can't remember the flaws, but I recall it was loaded with them.

Now here is the thing for me. And heads up, I am atheist. So apologies if this offends anyone. These people are really clever. Massively smarter than me, yet with planet sized brains, they are choosing to believe an iron age collection of books and are deciding their version of that is the blueprint of humanity.

Instead of, you know, producing a paper that says " Hey look, here is the evidence it is all true. Or at least the bits we like"

Here is the Jesus prayer they put a lot of importance on.

“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner,”

There is reams and reams of stuff written about this, And hey, of course it is totally fine for people to be religious. But don't force your ideas on the whole of society. If you really do think the world should be your Christian version, then be honest. Set up a Christian party with a manifesto and put it to the electorate. But no, instead they lie and cheat, potentially breaking secular law, to get what they want. I look at that prayer, and I think, prove point one please, and point 2, and wtf is a "sinner".

And they don't even see it, these people with planet size brains that teach ethics.

Yes, very much to the free speech. I don't think the main players are really interested in faith though - it is more a cultural outlook.

The prayer is quoted by another of those attracted to the Orrs' Shangri-La - a wordy blogger, Rod Dreher, who lives in Hungary and converted to Eastern Orthodoxy. He seems drawn to the Rev Helen and seems to have fallen out with James.

James says that he has never spoken to Farage about religion - I think they share this national family, national conservatism outlook. Orr has been instrumental in facilitating members of the Thiel network to speak at Cambridge. I object to these non-scientists speaking with authority on matters of race. Jordan Peterson is a psychologist, Charles Murray a sociologist - he is not a biologist but speaks about "race science".

I did not think I would be unlucky enough to see what is happening currently in Saxony, Germany. The far-right AfD, favoured by JD Vance:

It is aiming at winning enough votes to take a parliamentary majority in Saxony-Anhalt: a remarkable feat in German politics.

If it did pull off that level of victory, the party would take control of services including culture, policing and education. (BBC)

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 20:30

RedTagAlan · 06/09/2026 15:18

It's always the free speech card they play ain't it ?

We must challenge people to hear alternative points of view etc. When what they should be doing is pointing out the major flaws in the propaganda these characters churn out under the guise of "academic work".

It's a long time since the "bell curve" came out, and I can't remember the flaws, but I recall it was loaded with them.

Now here is the thing for me. And heads up, I am atheist. So apologies if this offends anyone. These people are really clever. Massively smarter than me, yet with planet sized brains, they are choosing to believe an iron age collection of books and are deciding their version of that is the blueprint of humanity.

Instead of, you know, producing a paper that says " Hey look, here is the evidence it is all true. Or at least the bits we like"

Here is the Jesus prayer they put a lot of importance on.

“Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner,”

There is reams and reams of stuff written about this, And hey, of course it is totally fine for people to be religious. But don't force your ideas on the whole of society. If you really do think the world should be your Christian version, then be honest. Set up a Christian party with a manifesto and put it to the electorate. But no, instead they lie and cheat, potentially breaking secular law, to get what they want. I look at that prayer, and I think, prove point one please, and point 2, and wtf is a "sinner".

And they don't even see it, these people with planet size brains that teach ethics.

And I think it's fine your view should be respected. But there is a role for people with a Christian background to speak up when it is cynically commandeered for someone's agenda and most especially by a person so clearly corrupt.
Many Christians are speaking up about reform. There was a Vicar who rang the bells over a speech at an anti refugee march. His church service was disrupted by protestors. He managed not to hit any of them not surprisingly.

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 21:12

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 20:56

Interesting - I thought it was the Helen, but seemingly not! I could only see that it was Helen's post but I heard it all.

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 21:34

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 21:12

Interesting - I thought it was the Helen, but seemingly not! I could only see that it was Helen's post but I heard it all.

What did you think of it?

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 21:43

It was a propaganda post taking a stance and showing a different stance propaganda video. Both felt cold and devoid of feeling for the subject.

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 21:48

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 21:43

It was a propaganda post taking a stance and showing a different stance propaganda video. Both felt cold and devoid of feeling for the subject.

Are you looking at the video with Zia Yusuf in?

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 22:02

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 21:48

Are you looking at the video with Zia Yusuf in?

Yes, he is trying to make his message "incendiary", then there is a ChatGPT voiceover.

Notanewuser1 · 06/09/2026 22:24

And as everyone is bickering.. the south coast is being invaded by illegals right now. Breaking news and many posts on X. I can't stand Trump, but by God we need someone to stop this.

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 22:24

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 22:02

Yes, he is trying to make his message "incendiary", then there is a ChatGPT voiceover.

Wondering where you are from. Southern English accent can be monotonous- in the sense the pitch doesn't vary as much as with other accents. I thought the woman was trying to be clear. But it was the Religious content I was interested in- Zia Yusuf s attempt to unite British identity and Christianity around the issue of disused churches being Mosques.
James Orr apparently rejected the American version of this
I just wondered how much involvement he'd have had as policy director in it. So would James Orr have been spending his time producing stuff like this? I mean there are some pretty dire videos around with lions and bad folk music. Would he be into all that?

soddingspiderseason · 06/09/2026 22:26

Notanewuser1 · 06/09/2026 22:24

And as everyone is bickering.. the south coast is being invaded by illegals right now. Breaking news and many posts on X. I can't stand Trump, but by God we need someone to stop this.

“Invaded”. No, no its not.

DuncinToffee · 06/09/2026 22:29

Notanewuser1 · 06/09/2026 22:24

And as everyone is bickering.. the south coast is being invaded by illegals right now. Breaking news and many posts on X. I can't stand Trump, but by God we need someone to stop this.

What do you want Trump to do?

Bomb the small boat?

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 22:34

Notanewuser1 · 06/09/2026 22:24

And as everyone is bickering.. the south coast is being invaded by illegals right now. Breaking news and many posts on X. I can't stand Trump, but by God we need someone to stop this.

Have the AfD got here from Saxony already? Rule Britannia ....

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 22:39

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 22:24

Wondering where you are from. Southern English accent can be monotonous- in the sense the pitch doesn't vary as much as with other accents. I thought the woman was trying to be clear. But it was the Religious content I was interested in- Zia Yusuf s attempt to unite British identity and Christianity around the issue of disused churches being Mosques.
James Orr apparently rejected the American version of this
I just wondered how much involvement he'd have had as policy director in it. So would James Orr have been spending his time producing stuff like this? I mean there are some pretty dire videos around with lions and bad folk music. Would he be into all that?

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I don't think that was 'a woman', as I said. This was using the Reform video to say the opposite of them. I don't understand why there would be an American version.

I can't imagine Orr being involved in such a poor attempt at firing up anger? But, then he wasn't supposed to be grubbily raising funds ... according to Nigel.

TheAutumnCrow · 06/09/2026 22:45

Clavinova · 06/09/2026 13:16

I caught some of her interview with Matt Frei on LBC yesterday morning. I thought she was great. We (Conservatives) missed a trick not putting her in the House of Lords.

Why do you think she wasn’t elevated to the Lords, @Clavinova, over strange choices like Charlotte Owen? Genuine question.

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 22:53

BrandiedAromatics · 06/09/2026 22:39

I don't think that was 'a woman', as I said. This was using the Reform video to say the opposite of them. I don't understand why there would be an American version.

I can't imagine Orr being involved in such a poor attempt at firing up anger? But, then he wasn't supposed to be grubbily raising funds ... according to Nigel.

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Why does he need to be in Cambridge university specifically in the divine studies dept?
He can network and advise Reform from anywhere.
It said in one of the articles he rejected Christian nationalism as not so relevant to the UK. Well I could have told him that. But if not that then what?
They want to work out how to weaponise religion in the UK. The marriage council housing thing is another symptom.
The problem is it doesn't fit with UK culture because they don't. They are always slightly off. And people can see it.

So why are there so many poor attempts at firing up anger? If not him who is actually churning this stuff out and presumably trying to refine it?

There are Irish versions too, and they are really bad also.

Daygloboo · 07/09/2026 07:57

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 22:53

Why does he need to be in Cambridge university specifically in the divine studies dept?
He can network and advise Reform from anywhere.
It said in one of the articles he rejected Christian nationalism as not so relevant to the UK. Well I could have told him that. But if not that then what?
They want to work out how to weaponise religion in the UK. The marriage council housing thing is another symptom.
The problem is it doesn't fit with UK culture because they don't. They are always slightly off. And people can see it.

So why are there so many poor attempts at firing up anger? If not him who is actually churning this stuff out and presumably trying to refine it?

There are Irish versions too, and they are really bad also.

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But doesnt this go to the core of it......that whatever they come up with, it is going to feel off BECAUSE what they are trying to construct is.....how can I put this ......utter bollocks with no real connection to our actual culture whatsoever....they are making it up as they go along and trying to see what will stick.........it's dangerous but also childish...it's all the product of narcissistically disorded minds......as if they've read too many Marvel comics and actually believed them

PerkingFaintly · 07/09/2026 08:12

Daygloboo · 07/09/2026 07:57

But doesnt this go to the core of it......that whatever they come up with, it is going to feel off BECAUSE what they are trying to construct is.....how can I put this ......utter bollocks with no real connection to our actual culture whatsoever....they are making it up as they go along and trying to see what will stick.........it's dangerous but also childish...it's all the product of narcissistically disorded minds......as if they've read too many Marvel comics and actually believed them

Yes exactly, @Daygloboo .

MagpiePi · 07/09/2026 08:18

PerkingFaintly · 05/09/2026 21:48

It's a classic case of accusations are admissions.

The people shrieking loudest that foreigners are taking over their country and that it's all a conspiracy by AN Other political persuasion... are themselves conspiring with foreign politicians and billionaires to help foreigners take over their country.

Yes but they’re white, right wing foreigners, so that’s ok.

RedTagAlan · 07/09/2026 08:23

Daygloboo · 07/09/2026 07:57

But doesnt this go to the core of it......that whatever they come up with, it is going to feel off BECAUSE what they are trying to construct is.....how can I put this ......utter bollocks with no real connection to our actual culture whatsoever....they are making it up as they go along and trying to see what will stick.........it's dangerous but also childish...it's all the product of narcissistically disorded minds......as if they've read too many Marvel comics and actually believed them

I think we saw this when Reform announced their " Council houses only for young married couples". From what I could see where I am, nobody could actually explain it. But now we know. It came from Orr and the Christian nationalists.

But a politician in the UK today can hardly say " Genesis 1:28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.

Not even Reform could come out with that. But restore.... yeah.

And this is what is odd in a way. Because they are Christians, apparently the self proclaimed guardians of morals and ethics, being dishonest to get their policies in place.

Funny enough, I started a thread on that very thing a while back. Here it is So while I do not think it is odd for this dishonesty in the US, I think it is the norm, I think for it to show up in the UK like this is odd.

Does Christian apologetics encourage people to be dishonest ? | Mumsnet

Does Christian apologetics encourage people to be dishonest ? | Mumsnet

I think it does, certainly the US version anyway. Apologetics trains people to ignore scientific evidence presented to them. To handwave it away, a...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/philosophy_religion_spirituality/5496792-does-christian-apologetics-encourage-people-to-be-dishonest

RedTagAlan · 07/09/2026 08:34

Warmlight1 · 06/09/2026 22:53

Why does he need to be in Cambridge university specifically in the divine studies dept?
He can network and advise Reform from anywhere.
It said in one of the articles he rejected Christian nationalism as not so relevant to the UK. Well I could have told him that. But if not that then what?
They want to work out how to weaponise religion in the UK. The marriage council housing thing is another symptom.
The problem is it doesn't fit with UK culture because they don't. They are always slightly off. And people can see it.

So why are there so many poor attempts at firing up anger? If not him who is actually churning this stuff out and presumably trying to refine it?

There are Irish versions too, and they are really bad also.

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Cambridge for clout, and argument from authority. It's also a very good recruitment ground for clever intellectual elites, who have a good chance of having family money behind them to support them as they head out on their quest for the Holy Grail.

Certainly, in the US, this "argument from authority" thing is incredibly attractive for the Christian Nationalists. They have practically unlimited money to offer to Professors who "convert". That is all many of these right wings think tanks are really. A way to pay people.

BrandiedAromatics · 07/09/2026 08:42

RedTagAlan · 07/09/2026 08:34

Cambridge for clout, and argument from authority. It's also a very good recruitment ground for clever intellectual elites, who have a good chance of having family money behind them to support them as they head out on their quest for the Holy Grail.

Certainly, in the US, this "argument from authority" thing is incredibly attractive for the Christian Nationalists. They have practically unlimited money to offer to Professors who "convert". That is all many of these right wings think tanks are really. A way to pay people.

I definitely think that one of the worst things is that Orr has a responsibility to students and Cambridge should be thorough on this, for once.

I don't think the American style does work here. That is why so many of our conservative-minded politicians and academics have been attracted to the heavily-funded Hungarian institutes. It is all to do with Western liberalism having gone too far.

To me, as always, in the US, Hungary (but hopefully not here!) it is to do with authoritarianism. Right, left, Christian, atheist, and so on, it is really about control, power and money.

Ihateboris · 07/09/2026 10:36

Protester hit with stick at Reform Conference calls Nick Ferrari
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