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Is this a conspiracy theory or is there something in it?

119 replies

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 13:20

Someone I know who has form for conspiracy theories just sent me this (in response to me posting sympathy to Zelenskyy after the row yesterday.

can anyone in the know please shed any light on whether this is true please?

x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1895751157651251687

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pleasedonotfeedme · 01/03/2025 13:21

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ssd · 01/03/2025 13:23

Jesus is everyone actually going nuts now

pleasedonotfeedme · 01/03/2025 13:26

There is a massive amount of absolute nonsense circulating on Twitter/X.

The question is: do you want to fall in with clueless MAGA idiots who know absolutely nothing about history or politics and just make up any old rubbish thinking they’re great contrarians when actually they are credulous fools?

Or not?

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 13:28

Quite! My automatic response to everything this person sends me lately is fuck, more bullshit, but a quick Google of Jeffrey sachs is Harvard economist, very respected in his field etc so I’m hoping MN can give me an informed opinion.

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 01/03/2025 13:30

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 13:28

Quite! My automatic response to everything this person sends me lately is fuck, more bullshit, but a quick Google of Jeffrey sachs is Harvard economist, very respected in his field etc so I’m hoping MN can give me an informed opinion.

Yeah, I'm sure that you're hoping that MN can give you an informed opinion.

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 13:33

@pleasedonotfeedme no! I absolutely do not!’ This person and I have fallen out recently due to her peddling bullshit about how fantastic RFK, Musk etc are.

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Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 13:36

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves
Not sure whether you’re being sarky or not. I have to see this woman regularly, I can’t just drop her much as I’d like to.
what I’m asking for is anyone who knows about what this sachs guy is spouting. I’m asking for something I can say to her to shut her down.

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AquaPeer · 01/03/2025 13:56

Interesting OP. It makes sense in that I could believe it of course, it’s not outrageous. There are always many sides to a story and this represents an alternate view that I think is probably valid.

the Russians have always had a different story. Because we have little access to their version story we assume whatever it is, it’s fake.

EmmaMaria · 01/03/2025 13:57

Chris O'Shea - otherwise known as Concerned Citizen, and formerly Chris O - is a renowned, but not very bright, conspiracy theorist. All you need to know about his own confidence in his own lies is that he has widely claimed that Covid was a scam and did not exist. Yet he has been vaccinated against the non-existant virus three times.

HauntedBungalow · 01/03/2025 14:06

The outline up to 2022 is accurate to a point, obviously the account of NATO expansion is accurate. But Yanukovich was Russia leaning not neutral and afaik it was Putin who rejected the early 2022 peace deal - and later sacked the guy who'd brokered it.

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:11

It's best not to get information from X or tiktok.
Watch C4 news, BBC or Sky. You can get the Times, Independent, Guardian and Telegraph apps for your phone. Every Sunday morning there are good Politics programmes eg Laura Keunssberg, Sir Trevor Phillips etc. Also check out Daily Politics.
You should get good, fair information from a mixture of the above.

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:12

EmmaMaria · 01/03/2025 13:57

Chris O'Shea - otherwise known as Concerned Citizen, and formerly Chris O - is a renowned, but not very bright, conspiracy theorist. All you need to know about his own confidence in his own lies is that he has widely claimed that Covid was a scam and did not exist. Yet he has been vaccinated against the non-existant virus three times.

That would be funny if it wasn't actually harmful.

Aliceisagooddog · 01/03/2025 14:16

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 13:28

Quite! My automatic response to everything this person sends me lately is fuck, more bullshit, but a quick Google of Jeffrey sachs is Harvard economist, very respected in his field etc so I’m hoping MN can give me an informed opinion.

Jeffrey Sachs is 100% correct. Please don't watch mainstream media for the truth, you won't get it.

Aliceisagooddog · 01/03/2025 14:16

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:11

It's best not to get information from X or tiktok.
Watch C4 news, BBC or Sky. You can get the Times, Independent, Guardian and Telegraph apps for your phone. Every Sunday morning there are good Politics programmes eg Laura Keunssberg, Sir Trevor Phillips etc. Also check out Daily Politics.
You should get good, fair information from a mixture of the above.

🤣

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 14:18

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:11

It's best not to get information from X or tiktok.
Watch C4 news, BBC or Sky. You can get the Times, Independent, Guardian and Telegraph apps for your phone. Every Sunday morning there are good Politics programmes eg Laura Keunssberg, Sir Trevor Phillips etc. Also check out Daily Politics.
You should get good, fair information from a mixture of the above.

Thanks, I do all of the above, I’m not the one who keeps sharing conspiracy theories, she keeps proselytising them to me, I just needed a steer on how to respond to this latest bullshit.

she’s an anti vaxxer, makes decisions based on what her angel advises her, basically a nut job.

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MemorableTrenchcoat · 01/03/2025 14:19

Aliceisagooddog · 01/03/2025 14:16

Jeffrey Sachs is 100% correct. Please don't watch mainstream media for the truth, you won't get it.

The mainstream media says Earth is a sphere. Don’t tell me it’s actually flat? I feel such a fool!

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:20

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 14:18

Thanks, I do all of the above, I’m not the one who keeps sharing conspiracy theories, she keeps proselytising them to me, I just needed a steer on how to respond to this latest bullshit.

she’s an anti vaxxer, makes decisions based on what her angel advises her, basically a nut job.

Oh dear! I see your problem. I think maybe end the friendship, that's really crazy.

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:22

Aliceisagooddog · 01/03/2025 14:16

Jeffrey Sachs is 100% correct. Please don't watch mainstream media for the truth, you won't get it.

No, heaven forfend! Independent bodies who research and fact check...or Glenda in a head scarf with a crystal ball? 😂😂

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:24

It's a form of anti intellectualism, anti science and anti reason. Its as if The Enlightenment never happened, and women are murdered for being "witches" ie, women of knowledge and wisdom. Steer clear.

AquaPeer · 01/03/2025 14:27

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:11

It's best not to get information from X or tiktok.
Watch C4 news, BBC or Sky. You can get the Times, Independent, Guardian and Telegraph apps for your phone. Every Sunday morning there are good Politics programmes eg Laura Keunssberg, Sir Trevor Phillips etc. Also check out Daily Politics.
You should get good, fair information from a mixture of the above.

OP is looking for a specific answer to a question about the history of NATO’s growth east and Putin/ US reactions.

how will downloading the bbc app answer this question? I agree you have identified a wealth of information but you can’t immerse your self in massive irrelevant data when she only wants to know about one specific situation

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:29

AquaPeer · 01/03/2025 14:27

OP is looking for a specific answer to a question about the history of NATO’s growth east and Putin/ US reactions.

how will downloading the bbc app answer this question? I agree you have identified a wealth of information but you can’t immerse your self in massive irrelevant data when she only wants to know about one specific situation

I have already replied to her. However, it's true to say that being continuously engaged in current affairs and well informed is a good thing.
However, I think she's on to a loser with such a person who will not understand facts and logic.

Crichel · 01/03/2025 14:31

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 14:18

Thanks, I do all of the above, I’m not the one who keeps sharing conspiracy theories, she keeps proselytising them to me, I just needed a steer on how to respond to this latest bullshit.

she’s an anti vaxxer, makes decisions based on what her angel advises her, basically a nut job.

So why fuel a nutter’s delusions?

AquaPeer · 01/03/2025 14:35

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:29

I have already replied to her. However, it's true to say that being continuously engaged in current affairs and well informed is a good thing.
However, I think she's on to a loser with such a person who will not understand facts and logic.

I’m well informed and sure OP is.
i would still like to know more about the situation posted

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 14:36

Thank you all. To clarify, much as I would like to drop this person, we are in a tight knit community (rural, isolated area), where everyone socialises a lot together. So it is necessary to see each other, unless I exclude myself from the social circle which I absolutely do not intend to do.

we all privately disagree with all these theories about fluoride causing cancer, vax causing autism etc, but for whatever reason she’s latched on to me in particular.

it’s rather trying

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Crichel · 01/03/2025 14:39

Friendproblem123 · 01/03/2025 14:36

Thank you all. To clarify, much as I would like to drop this person, we are in a tight knit community (rural, isolated area), where everyone socialises a lot together. So it is necessary to see each other, unless I exclude myself from the social circle which I absolutely do not intend to do.

we all privately disagree with all these theories about fluoride causing cancer, vax causing autism etc, but for whatever reason she’s latched on to me in particular.

it’s rather trying

So just say ‘Do put a sock in it, Doreen — we’re just trying to have a nice time here, not be subjected to the rundown on your latest tin-hattery’.

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