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Friendproblem123 · 2025-03-01T13:20:45+00:00

Someone I know who has form for conspiracy theories just sent me this (in response to me posting sympathy to Zelenskyy after the row yesterday. can anyone in the know please shed any light on whether this is true please? https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1895751157651251687

Circularmadness · 08/03/2025 14:54

dogcatkitten · 08/03/2025 14:48

If she believes it you will never convince her otherwise so don't bother trying. Just turn the conversation every time it comes up. 'That's interesting, now I must show you our holiday snaps, we had a fabulous time....'

Sadly you are right. So many lost to propaganda, and utterly wed to it, it’s quite terrifying how programmed they are, spicy with it too! 😬

HauntedBungalow · 08/03/2025 15:19

Isn't it. So many dullards accusing anyone who doesn't agree with them of being "Kremlin mouthpieces" and "Russian assets". It's pure paranoia - McCarthy all over again.

Rummly · 08/03/2025 16:04

rainingsnoring · 08/03/2025 12:41

This is hilarious. It's always seems to be the case that people who don't know what they are talking turn to ad hominem remarks instead of debating intelligently. I'm not a Kremlin mouth piece and it says more about you than me that you choose this phrase and just debases what you say.

Funny that you suggest that there was no agreement over the 'not one inch eastwards'. Here's another video you may find helpful. American ambassador Jack Matlock and Kissinger discussing this situation in 1994. Matlock states clearly that there was an agreement. Please note, this is an American saying this, not a Russian: .
Stop making things up to fit your view that this is 100% Russia's fault when the reality is that this is far more complicated.

I'm not on the Russian side nor on the American side but do find a lot of Western media comments, including on here, to be both ignorant and naive.

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That is the most feeble justification for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t even what Putin said when he went in.

HauntedBungalow · 08/03/2025 17:09

It's not a justification

Rummly · 08/03/2025 17:12

HauntedBungalow · 08/03/2025 17:09

It's not a justification

It’s not a reason or explanation either.

Ubertomusic · 08/03/2025 17:15

Rummly · 08/03/2025 16:04

That is the most feeble justification for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t even what Putin said when he went in.

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Kissinger was never feeble 😂

Rummly · 08/03/2025 17:25

Ubertomusic · 08/03/2025 17:15

Kissinger was never feeble 😂

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Fair.

DeadSpace3 · 08/03/2025 19:27

Corinthiana · 01/03/2025 14:11

It's best not to get information from X or tiktok.
Watch C4 news, BBC or Sky. You can get the Times, Independent, Guardian and Telegraph apps for your phone. Every Sunday morning there are good Politics programmes eg Laura Keunssberg, Sir Trevor Phillips etc. Also check out Daily Politics.
You should get good, fair information from a mixture of the above.

While your comments about X & TikTok are true, thinking that you anywhere close to the truth from the BBC, the Guardian or Sky news is pure fantasy.

All of these have been proved time and time again to push their own agendas, fail to report events that show their narrative is wrong, and at times, outright lie.

rainingsnoring · 08/03/2025 20:21

Circularmadness · 08/03/2025 14:43

Wow such frothing anger. Actually, I was referring to Sachs as the Kremlin mouthpiece, you know, the video you patronisingly sent to “educate me” (who is widely acknowledged to be a Kremlin mouthpiece.

NATO threatens Russia like a lock threatens a thief.
Anyone saying that NATO expansion provoked the Russian invasion of Ukraine is parroting Kremlin lies. NATO is a defensive alliance that individual countries voluntarily apply to join… to protect themselves from being invaded. Countries join NATO by choice, not by occupation. Ukraine was unarmed and wanted security, especially after the invasion of Georgia in 2008, where russia terrorised and massacred Georgians. NATO’s only "hostile" if you’re the one attacking a member state, since Article 5 (the collective defense clause) has only been invoked once, after 9/11.
Each nation has the sovereign right to choose its alliances, and they’re not the ones massing troops or annexing neighbors.
Russia didn’t attack because of NATO, 6 NATO countries border Russia, did they invade them? Russia invaded because Ukraine was vulnerable without NATO protection and because it views Ukraine autonomy as worthless and has always viewed Ukraine as belonging to it. Here’s a picture to show you the countries that Russia have invaded over the years. Hope this helps!

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You haven't watched the video have you? How ironic that you think I am frothing with anger when your posts are littered with remarks like 'Kremlin mouthpiece' and "FFS". Some people have no insight, I guess. You have a ridiculously one sided view of this. I don't consider it very intelligent, hence the patronising remark.

By the way, if Sachs is 'widely acknowledged as a Kremlin mouthpiece (utter rubbish clearly), why was he speaking and advising in the European Parliament a couple of weeks ago? Oh dear, perhaps you are just plain wrong after all.

rainingsnoring · 08/03/2025 20:23

Rummly · 08/03/2025 16:04

That is the most feeble justification for Putin’s invasion of Ukraine I’ve ever seen. It wasn’t even what Putin said when he went in.

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I have no idea what you are talking about. They aren't trying to justify Putin's invasion nearly 30 years after this conversation took place. Did you even bother to watch the video?
The actions of all sides here have been terrible. The Ukrainians have been suffering greatly. This war need not have started but for US and UK interference.

NotDavidTennant · 08/03/2025 20:28

rainingsnoring · 08/03/2025 20:23

I have no idea what you are talking about. They aren't trying to justify Putin's invasion nearly 30 years after this conversation took place. Did you even bother to watch the video?
The actions of all sides here have been terrible. The Ukrainians have been suffering greatly. This war need not have started but for US and UK interference.

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Whether or not the war started was entirely in the hands of Putin.

Rummly · 08/03/2025 21:10

rainingsnoring · 08/03/2025 20:23

I have no idea what you are talking about. They aren't trying to justify Putin's invasion nearly 30 years after this conversation took place. Did you even bother to watch the video?
The actions of all sides here have been terrible. The Ukrainians have been suffering greatly. This war need not have started but for US and UK interference.

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You need to think a bit harder.

You posted the video. It was you who said an assurance was given. It was your justification.

It’s your post that’s feeble, video and all.

HauntedBungalow · 08/03/2025 21:15

Do you think you are speaking directly with Putin at present, @Rummly, as you post here on Mumsnet?

HauntedBungalow · 08/03/2025 21:17

Or do you think the other poster is Kissinger, perhaps?

Rummly · 08/03/2025 22:17

The comments excusing Putin have become just childish nonsense now.

DeadSpace3 · 09/03/2025 03:03

rainingsnoring · 08/03/2025 20:23

I have no idea what you are talking about. They aren't trying to justify Putin's invasion nearly 30 years after this conversation took place. Did you even bother to watch the video?
The actions of all sides here have been terrible. The Ukrainians have been suffering greatly. This war need not have started but for US and UK interference.

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What do you mean by "This war need not have started but for US and UK interference"?

Are you suggesting that Ukraine should have let Putin do whatever he wants?

rainingsnoring · 09/03/2025 09:13

Rummly · 08/03/2025 21:10

You need to think a bit harder.

You posted the video. It was you who said an assurance was given. It was your justification.

It’s your post that’s feeble, video and all.

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If you actually read the posts, you will see that I posted the video to show that the Americans did make the agreement about not one inch Eastwards and said so publicly, as discussed by the American diplomats in said video. This is what Sachs has referred to more recently. The other poster is just making things up to suit her narrative.

There is no assurance or justification being given in my post. I think you are completely muddled!

rainingsnoring · 09/03/2025 09:13

HauntedBungalow · 08/03/2025 21:17

Or do you think the other poster is Kissinger, perhaps?

😂

rainingsnoring · 09/03/2025 09:15

DeadSpace3 · 09/03/2025 03:03

What do you mean by "This war need not have started but for US and UK interference"?

Are you suggesting that Ukraine should have let Putin do whatever he wants?

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Of course that's not what I am suggesting.

Have a look at the previous posts and what Sachs has said in the very first video linked to by the OP and others.