Hmm, interesting and bizarre sounding theory. Satanism in music.

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I randomly stumbled across someone discussing this on here so I did alot of research and the findings have actually been quite shocking, it would seem tha a lot of celebs beyonce rhianna and jay z all seem to openly worship, from their hand gestures to what they wear etc.

I am fully aware this sounds totally bizarre and I assure you I am not insane, but have a Google and post your feed back. (can't do links as I'm on mobile) :)

Letthereberock I believe the consensus is you only need to respect a deluded belief if there is a critical mass of people who subscribe to it. The jury's out on what that number actually is, though, so tread carefully...!

'What harm will it do?'

That is the question we are rationally discussing. You think there will be no harm. We think it is deliberate and is intended to cause harm.

Go on then.Enlighten me.What's so awful about Satan,and Satanists,who as a general rule don't even believe in an actual entity known as Satan?

No deluded beliefs. Just saying what is being shown.

What about disrespecting all those concert goers by decieving them like that? I bet there was a fair amount of religious people there.

'But the clever (and therefore successful) artists don't go to those extremes because it would defeat the object.'

Most of these artists are managed, they are controlled. Have you ever seen the South Park episode where a young artist thinks he can tell his record company what to do, and a shorter executive spells out to the "little shit" in no uncertain terms how it really works. Images are created for these artists by teams of people who decide what image they will project.

Doing hand signs I mean

What do I have to do around here to get some examples?

If my very young nieces and nephews saw a Nazi hand salute, they would assume the person was waving. Therefore it stands to reason that all these demonic messages in pop videos will not be seen by the vast majority of the audience because they do not know that they could even mean anything other than being a dance move.

Also, what the Nazi's did was real. The existence of the devil can't be proved. There's a big difference there.

'Letthereberock I believe the consensus is you only need to respect a deluded belief if there is a critical mass of people who subscribe to it. The jury's out on what that number actually is, though, so tread carefully...!'

So I'm safe until the shoes on table people get together,and write a book about it?

Sorry LetThereBeRock - I've missed what you want an example of I wanna know!

'Go on then.Enlighten me.What's so awful about Satan,and Satanists,who as a general rule don't even believe in an actual entity known as Satan?'

I don't think these people are satanists. I think they are using Satan to spread a message of harm. I think they are on message.

But..but.. what can a few hand signnals do?
I'm finding this thread very odd.
I've seen the video ans some of the links and it hasn't turned me into a satanist (yet).
I don't feel "desperate or hopeless" either. Nor do my 15 yr ds? or my niece who loves JZ/Beyonce.
So what will happen to them?
What evil signs am I looking dor?

I think I've ruined my ipod trying to get it to play music backwards so I could hear the hidden meaning
Twas easier in the vinyl days

I think you are all missing the point that some music really is the work of the devil
How else do you explain the Crazy Frog?

Claig,you're not seriously basing your opinion on an episode of South Park are you?

oo thats Godwins twice now
Will we disappear in a puff of purple smoke?

But they're not doing the devil sign, goddammit! There's a perfectly good devil sign already, and they're not using it!

I would have no objection if you said you were boycotting Dio because of the Satan stuff (except he's dead, but YKWIM), ditto I would boycott a band using Nazi salute, yes.

But if a video happened to contain a shape that looked a bit like a swastika if you squinted, I'd give the band the benefit of the doubt.

Letthereberock a book is useful but not vital. These days, a youtube channel is an acceptable alternative. HTH.

Shiny, you are right, most of the audience making teh hand signs haven't got a clue what it signifies, they just follow the crowd. That is what is intended. But the people promoting the hand signs, the people who started it off, know what it signifies. It would be the same for Nazi salutes.
Both hand signs signify evil, harm and death.

'Letthereberock a book is useful but not vital. These days, a youtube channel is an acceptable alternative. HTH'

Damn.Who am I going to make fun of now?

How do you know Rocafella haven't constructed their own devil sign, they could be so high up in occult circles (which Jay Z is IMO but an O that I'm sure is right)that they can do that? Alistair Crowley's sayings would only be known to people who had researched thoroughly. That knowledge is not shared

Did you know that Gene Simmons claims he invented that hand signal because it is difficult to wave at the audience while holding a guitar pick in your fingers? (Random fact of the day there).

'I've seen the video ans some of the links and it hasn't turned me into a satanist (yet).
I don't feel "desperate or hopeless" either. Nor do my 15 yr ds?'

The fact that they are openly making devil signs and Jack Black talks about praying to Satan in your face and you don't realise that something is wrong, has achieved their purpose. That was their intent, to normalise praising of Satan in your face and to your children. Now they can move on to their next phase, and you will still not realise that anything is wrong.

And again,pretending that anything you're saying actually makes sense,why do you think the sign of the horns,signifies evil and death?
Do you really think that Satanists hold black masses where they sacrifice virgins and goat.

Or even goats.But in my defence,due to the current recession it's more likely to be a goat.

Exactly! It's been normalised to the extent nobody cares one bit. That is worrying, of course it is FFS