Archie Battersbee - Thread 4

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Apparently ITV reporting she's going to try to appeal on that basis.

I've just had a browse at some of the comments. One man has threatened another saying he'll track him down and snap his neck for "making shit up" all for pointing out and trying to explain Archie is not comatose, but brain dead and won't recover. Some of those posts are hysterical and frantic they all seem convinced he's alive and calling anyone evil who suggests otherwise. Unbelievable.

ECHR have been quick

I dont know if Im comfortable with that concept. Does that apply in cases where corpses are found to be abused or violated?

They're already dead so are beyond suffering?

"ECHR have been quick"

Think that is incredibly telling.

They were ready for it

Wasnt one of her earlier appeals about the hospitals wish to do an MRI and she opposed him being moved

I dont think she can now say he is ok to be moved having used that argument to prevent him being moved to have a scan

The request hasn't been denied by the courts, so that may well be the next application.

I know it would be very hard to do, but maybe the time has come for the courts to say there can be no more delays, and therefore that no application for that purpose will be considered for anything short of a miraculous recovery.

What do you think fighting for him to remain in life support can do?

You have read the medical notes publicly available - yes?

His brain is necrosising and dripping into his spine.

Every part of his existence is artificial except his heartbeat.

He cannot improve. The only reason he cannot be legally declared dead is because when they wanted to test his brain stem etc his mum refused the tests.

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Wouldnt she need to show that a hospice space is available and willing to take him. What would a hospice do?

The request hasn't been denied by the courts, so that may well be the next application.

But isn't the fact that the court have already said continued treatment is not in his best interests result in a hospice move (that would take time to plan if it were possible) effectively cutting off this tactic.

I'd also go back to a pp where I noted that on the 25th May the reason the family refused an MRI was because it could harm him.

I personally find some of the comments on this thread to be quite unkind to a woman in the process of losing her child. If it were me, I have a boy the same age, and I would have to go down every avenue to fight on his behalf just so "what if?" thoughts didn't haunt me for the rest of my life.

I don't think you would, if you were faced with the reality. Ultimately most parents put their children first every time, no matter how much it hurts them as parents.

Hi all

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Only speculation, but I honestly think she just can’t bear to go home. Getting home and finding him like that must have been horrific. I wouldn’t ever want go there again.

The dead are entitled to be treated with dignity- morally, ethically and legally.

Understood Lily. I do think this has been one of the most sensible discussions out there and would be a shame to lose it as many have shared our own stories and for me, has helped as I was starting to question my own decision with my father, but soon got back on track by coming here.

I'm hoping now the ECHR has dismissed the action, this little chap can now peacefully move on.

Yes it will be terrible being at home but, as a point of fact, she was in the house (her bedroom) when it happenned according to her own statements.

Presumably, yes. Also that it is safe to move him, which may be difficult given that previously she opposed him being taken even for an MRI scan because of the danger involved.

I'm sure that if he could be moved to a hospice the hospital would be delighted to allow it. It would make all sorts of sense given that this is the sort of situation they are set up for, and it would presumably remove all the stresses and hostility around the relationship with the hospital. But I don't see how it can be done.

The other possibility, of course, is the move to Turkey/Japan or wherever. I do hope however that her lawyers won't even try that without even halfway credible supporting evidence, which we've heard nothing about so far.

Having sat with my mum in a hospice when it was clear she was rotting I can honestly say i don't think many people would insist in keeping someone in Archie's condition alive artificially.

Until you've seen this you really dont understand. It's horrific and I found myself wanting death to take her in the end.

The fact they have his room so cold with AC shows the state of his body. He's effectively been in 'cold room' conditions for weeks now.

(You can Google cold rooms or I linked before to the together for shirt lives leaflet)

Just popped back to say I haven't read all of the previous threads but Hollie does have form for using the media to force a preferred outcome . There's a story about Archie getting very sore eyes from eye drops when he was four and the pharmacy apologising but the mum still taking it to the press, presumably for attention drawn to it and/or compensation.

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2774629/Boy-four-suffers-agonising-burns-Boots-pharmacy-gave-ear-drops-eye-infection.html

So perhaps she's very easily manipulated into whatever her Facebook group/army want her to do AND is the sort of person who thinks media attention will get her what she wants.

Absolutely, Im astounded at that posters suggestion that because he's dead it doesnt matter what happens to him

That article was written in 2014 so not relevant and tbh I would have kicked up a fuss too if my child had sore eyes from a prescription gone wrong

In order to have him moved to a hospice she would have to have a hospice bed available to him. No hospice is going to agree to take him in this instance.

The courts aren’t going to allow an appeal to have him moved based on the fact there is nowhere to move him to.