Archie Battersbee - Thread 4

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They are trying to give her what she needs - a good, smooth ending for this, even though she’s resisting it.

This is in spite of Hollie calling them murderers, accusing them of starving him, wanting to steal Archie’s organs, of lying to her.

Plus whatever happened that made them station 8 security guards outside the room.

They are being graceful under fire, they know that a controlled ending will be important for Hollie, later on.

but I’m sure they’ll be relieved when the shit show is over

The sad fact though is that there is unlikely to be a controlled ending at this stage.

The timeline of the ECHR is uncertain at this stage, and while we may think this is urgent, the fact is they do have a backlog, and a case of a child who is likely going to die soon regardless of their decision is unlikely to be considered urgent in the grand scheme of things, so this case could take weeks if not months, and then Archie will die due to organ failure and there will be nothing controlled about that.

And the CLC will class this a victory, because they wanted ventilation to continue while there was still a beating heart.

It’ll be worse for Hollie. Chaotic

Thank you to everybody on the other thread who answered my questions.

Just scrolling through Andrea Williams' twitter and relieved to see that I seem to be one of very few visitors to it. I hope the cruelty she forces on others like Archie will happen less often in the future but I am worried. There's a lot of money sloshing around when the world is so unequal to be donated to tiny little zealot cells like hers.

And then they will want to take it further wrt the pro life agenda. This isn’t actually about Archie for them, it’s about a pro life view. And once they can claim victory here they can seek to e.g. have abortion rights overturned.

And it doesn’t matter that theirs is a hollow victory. They have enough support to rewrite history to make it look like an actual victory and they will gain more support as a result.

They’re despicable.

Any sympathy I had for Hollie went when she referred to the hospital as wanting to execute a disabled person. It's so far from the truth as to be abhorrent. I really feel for the staff there.

We know there were issues with covid, and the way some disabled people were treated (hopefully will come out in the inquiry). To conflate this situation with that type of one is awful.

Shocking she is on bbc saying he has a brain injury and how this country has bad treatment for the disabled, inflammatory remarks
but shocked that the bbc headline is treatment to be withdrawn , and then in the article, unless a further appeal is lodged, which it will be!

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The media need to stop giving her airtime.

Right now they’re just giving her a platform to express her abhorrent opinions. And even if those opinions are born from grief, that doesn’t mean she should be given a platform to air them on.

Same. And it's not just the bed. The cost of his pointless treatment must be huge.

There has to be a limit to what behaviour we allow due to grief. The way some of the mainstream media is letting her say whatever she wants, when much of it is easily proven not to be true and use inflammatory terms like execute without being challenged doesn't seem right.

@EasterIssland · is there really any need?

Bumping the thread like that is purely ghoulish and unnecessary.

It’s one thing to have a discussion and be part of it. Quite another to just bump the thread with a single letter.

I wonder how long she will get it postponed this time

She needs an awful lot of professional support, but I fear she's alienated herself from the very professionals best able to give it.

As per the letter from St Bart’s, the case will be referred to “the corner”. Presumably they mean the coroner.

Unless the ECHR come back soon, it won’t be a postponement, it will be a permanent stay until he dies.

People say that the Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard cases were dealt with quickly but that doesn’t guarantee anything.

The ECHR have a massive backlog, so at best it’s likely to be weeks, and Archie realistically doesn’t have that long left as doctors have already confirmed that his organs are shutting down.

Why would they not class this as urgent when they classed the Evans case as urgent?

I've just read an article on The Mail Online by Bel Mooney. I don't know where to start, but I would say that there is the error of thinking that Archie is 'just' in a coma and might come out of it and also ,what seems to me to be criticism of 'the system' i.e. judges making a decision on the case. Sadly, when this sort of article is printed, it will only serve to encourage some people to think that the fight is correct, and that Archie is being denied the right to recover. (Sorry, I can't do a link for it.)

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F = following. So I just joined a new thread. Apologies if you didn’t like it

Thinking of the poor healthcare staff who will be dreading each shift.
Hoping Archie is at peace.

re the picu bed - children will have had ops cancelled or been transferred out of London. It’s a very limited resource.

7 hours ago Hollie was on Facebook vowing to track people down and looking at the DFA page. She's full of anger, but I think she's actually angry with herself.

They might. But we have no idea what the backlog is like, what other cases they have ongoing which are also urgent. they dance to their own tune, they’re not influenced in any way by the UK courts for instance.

And the Gard and Evans cases were some years ago.

It might be urgent, but we can’t assume that it will. And with a year’s backlog urgent to them likely isn’t going to mean the same as urgent to Bart’s trust.

The hope would be that the ECHR have already been alerted to this and have a response already drafted. After all, a refusal is a standard thing surely, they just need to insert some names and so on, so the template will already be there.

I still think the hospital shouldn’t have given them a further timeline and that they have shot themselves in the foot.

The hospital can’t win. They are trying to be compassionate and follow processes correctly.