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9/11...... if anyone is interested

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ludaloo · 13/03/2007 17:17

I have been investigating all about this since we had the last 9/11 thread going...I have always had big issues with WTC7, and its collapse...

Whilst looking at WTC7 stuff, I came across a BBC news report, where the reporter is announcing the Collapse of WTC7. She is in NY, having a discussion with a news reader back here, she is pictured infront of a smoking NY sky line and is announcing that WTC7 has just collapsed.....But....It is still there, right behind her in the background!!!

The collapse of WTC7 appears to have been press released 23 minutes before it actually did collapse!!!!!!
I am soooooooo convinced that the collapse of WTC7 was intentional.

Had to post it as it is really buggin me!

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:09

All I'm saying is if there is any doubt here, that the US government did it...or are capable of doing it then it needs to be investigated....but the simple fact is, whether you believe a "conspiracy" theory is an investigation or not (in my view these conspiracies are just another way to look at the situation and there is nothing wrong with that)they are not being allowed to be investigated sufficiently to draw a conclusive result.

Evidence is with held, archives lost, actual evidence on the day, shipped off before it could be analised by "outside" investigations..

It might all be a load of crappers...the conspiracies a load of poop, but we'll never know. (thats what I find hard to accept I guess...there is too much cover up...too much)

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HappyDaddy · 14/03/2007 17:13

But there isn't just one theory, is there? There are hundreds. Do you seriously expect the government to allow all of them to take up tax payers money and politicians time by investigating them all?

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:15

...well to my knowledge there aren't hundreds of theories.
Besides which each theory still outlines the same questions which aren't being answered.

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HappyDaddy · 14/03/2007 17:16

I've seen lots of theories be answered but the theorists just say "no, it can't be that it must be this".

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:19

HD have you seen the fall of WTC7?? It really is just so difficult to believe the official reports on its collapse, and even to the most uneducated of people (ahem)it just isn't right and it bugs the pants off me that we are just supposed to believe what we are told.

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HappyDaddy · 14/03/2007 17:20

Without being rude, if we are the uneducated ones, who are we not to believe so many architects and scientists who have proved the planes DID cause the buildings to fall?

quadrophenia · 14/03/2007 17:20

Ludaloo i am with you on this and will come back when i'm not feeling unwell

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:26

I have worried about this friggin thing for far too long, and every time I think..."well you know, what can I do anyway? I'm sure they know what they are doing, They must be right, it must have happened the way it did", a million things make me think "oooh but what about this...and this..and why did thid happen?" Then I realise I'm not the only one thinking this and Experts can't even find a conclusive answer to these questions. Then I think " so why should the US governments version of events be the only one allowed to be right" Thats not fair...or democratic, especially when key pieces of events are simply being with held or over looked. I hate that because these theories are not "Official" they must be a ludicrous story.

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HappyDaddy · 14/03/2007 17:28

Seriously, all this "the government must be hiding something" is getting boring. Just because the government disagrees, doesn't make the theories right.

Yes, they've lied about a lot of things but, like I said since when did governments tell the people about anything of any relevance?

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:30

HD...please don't get me wrong there...I was refering to me!!! (I'm no scientist etc etc)
Its WTC7 that bugs me specifically...it wasn't hit by a plane. It was damaged on one side by falling debree from the towers, and had fire on the top levels.
WTC4 was inbetween the towers and WTC7...it had a huge huge chunk of it missing where falling debrees had gouged it. Its four outer perimeter walls remained standing.
WTC7...further away, and less debrees falling on it, collapsed to dust in seconds.

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:33

You are quite right HD it is getting boring, so why don't they just show people what they want to see??

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:33

hope you are ok by the way Quad

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Socci · 14/03/2007 17:33

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:35

Seriously, all this "the government must be hiding something" is getting boring. Just because the government disagrees, doesn't make the theories right.

In the same breath though just because the theorists disagree doesn't make the government right either does it!

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:36

Socci...you see...thats my point exactly. Why shouldn't it be questioned...

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 17:39

hmmmm...I feel a huge sense of dejavu here!
The thread on here from months ago has all this on it too..
I was just a bit appalled to find a new piece of fuel for the conspiracisits, swept under the carpet again...it really doesn't help IMO

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suejonez · 14/03/2007 19:30

I don;t think anyone is getting cross Socci - but some of us don't agree that there was a conspiracy within the US govt to cause 9/11 in order to invade Iraq. I don't actually feel that strongly about it - mostly because I don't beleive it, certainly don't feel cross about it. Ludaloo is quite welcome to get worked up about it but if she didn;t want anyone to disagree with her then she shouldn;t have posted her views on a public forum but stuck to one of the conspiracy theory sites.

I also don't beleive Princess Diana and Dodi Fayed were murdered by MI5 either. But wouldn't get really cross if someone were to beleive that they were.

Without wanting to be too racist to Americans here - have you ever met any US politicians smart enough to have conspired to do this. I've met a few politicians and frankly the smart ones could hold a conference in a bus shelter there are so few of them.

hippipotami · 14/03/2007 19:41

'WTC7 further away, less debris falling on it, collapses to dust in seconds'

Maybe it was not built as well as WTC4? Maybe it already had weak points?

Heck, maybe it even suffered from termites

suejonez · 14/03/2007 19:55

now hippo - you're not taking this seriously are you. Or are you? The Termite theory has yet (as far as I'm aware) to be developed...

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 20:22

suejonez, I'm not getting worked up about it, I know better than to get worked up on MN!! Obviously I know people are gonna disagree, people can believe what they want about whatever they want...I just thought the info on my origional post might interest certain people, especially as this topic was discussed not so long ago.

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 20:22

By the way...hippo..your termite theory is very interesting!

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hippipotami · 14/03/2007 20:24

Ah Sue, you see, I am way ahead of all other theories with the termite one...

On a more serious note, I really really don't know enough to get involved in this debate. I do love conspiracy theories though and am keeping an open mind...

suejonez · 14/03/2007 20:24

I wasn't specifically menaing you when I referred to people getting worked up just trying to make the point to Socci that just becuase we didn't agree didn;t mean we were getting cross about it.

suejonez · 14/03/2007 20:26

oh don't get me wrong - I love a good conspiracy theory too, its just when I look at the people meant to have carreid most of them out I think .

Have no doubt that some of the theories have some truth to them - just not this one.

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ludaloo · 14/03/2007 20:28

ah...ok (I do have to bite my lip on the odd occasion though)

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