MMR

[Myprincess1]

I have been looking into the MMR and the side effects. Has anyone gone down the single vaccine route? Has anyone used Babyjabs before for Measles or Measles and Rubela? I am thinking of opting out of the MMR and going down the single route as we have epilepsy in the family and i am also concerned it might be too much all in one for my baby. The only problem is my baby will not be covered for mumps or rubela if I just get the Measles, or mumps if I go down the Measles/Rubela route. I will then look at giving the MMR before school. There also seems to be side effects with the singes, its a tough decision, but I need to get my baby vaccinated for the Measles as soon as possible.

I was terrified of the mmr
Read things and my mother told me to avoid it.
I then looked into it more and spoke to 2 doctors at our surgery and realised the side effects are things like a sore injection site, fever etc
The side effects of measles is brain damage or death, mumps infertility etc etc so I did change my mind
I got the mmr done separate to any other injections though one child has it at hospital as he has v severe egg allergy
They were all absolutely fine at the time no issues after the vaccine at all

We used babyjabs for men b vaccines before they were on nhs they were good

Is it the jag where they jab the poor wee one 4 times? I opted to just do two at one appoinemt then a 2 weeks later get the other 2

We have gefs+ in the family and there is no reason not to get MMR, my ds had it.
Babyjabs have been found guilty for false advertising about MMR, would you really trust a company like that.
Tallk to gp not strangers on the internet

Op what are your concerns with the mmr? It's become one of those topics where it is very hard to get just the facts as there are so many 'sources' based on rumour and discredited lies which have been repeated at length and becomes folklore.

Getting immunity from all 3 is quite a lot at once but they are all horrible diseases so delaying one is not without some consequence.
It's such an emotive topic I'd really recommend you only discuss it with your gp or nurse. They can advise if your child's circumstances warrant doing something differently.

Just to clarify my DS had gefs+ and had Mmr, with no problems. Dd also had more FS than normal , four in a year. Neither has had a FS as a result of vaccines, DS had over 20 up to the age of 13.
The fever from a vaccines may trigger a seizure in someone with an underlying genetic disposition (ie Dravets) , but so will any illness that causes a fever.

thanks bruffin, i have spoken to gp, i was interested in others opinions.

Hi Zebrasinpyjamas thanks for your reply, on the MMR leaflet there are lots of side effects, inc brain damage and death, there has also been reports of this on vaers. This is what worries me. Some report their child has never been the same regressed, i know there is no proof, except those that have had a problem. Nurse advised MMR couldnt say much as need to go with NHS guidelines.Advised to read and come back when ready.

Hi notsothinlizzy, its the three in one.

It's a teeny tiny risk but it is a risk.

Personally I seek to minimise risk as a parent - I wasn't happy with MMR and we have girls so I wasn't too concerned re mumps but like you I wanted them to have singles measles jabs.

The reason we don't do separate jabs here is that there is evidence it is less effective at preventing the diseases than the combined MMR.
If you're going to vaccinate, I'd give the one that is proven to give more protection than three separate ones with their own side effects that might not work as well.

(Doctor)

Hi Artfullydead, thanks for reply, did you end up having the single vaccine? I have a girl also, I intend to have perhaps later on before school when she can cope with it more, i will decide near the time. Mumps seems to be mild and a third of cases do not show symptoms.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/mmr-how-is-it-given/

Yes, although had to pay for it privately (ILs paid!)

That's only if you want protection for all three, Hip - measles was the one we wanted.

Are you not bothered about rubella if you have girls?🤔

My brother ended up deaf in one ear due to mumps. It's not all about fertility issues with getting mumps

No, Hip, since I presume they won't be getting pregnant any time soon (they are preschoolers.)

Obviously when they are of child bearing age they'll need to be tested.

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Contraception/Documents/Rubella-pregnancy.pdf

Surely they will need 2x MMR at some point though? They might as well have them young and be protected their whole life than get them aged 20 and be exposed to outbreaks at school/college/uni?

Yes so like any young woman for whom the MMR might have worn off? The point is that rubella is a mild illness unless you are pregnant, so until pregnancy is a distinct possibility, a vaccination against rubella isn't needed.

Why can’t you get a single injection for each separate illness? You say you could have just measles or measles and rubella, but why is it you can’t have three singles?
I also believe in herd immunity, so while you aren’t concerned about mumps because you have girls, if your girls contracted mumps and passed it to male friends/family members/in the future -their husband (who may not be immunised for medical reasons). I’m interested to know your thoughts on that.

Because single vaccines for mumps and rubella are no longer made. You can get single measles or combined measles/rubella or MMR

It's up to individual people and parents what they decide to vaccinate against. If they have decided to vaccinate against mumps then all should be well. I know these discussions don't tend to go brilliantly. What I will say is that my thoughts are simple: vaccination damage is extremely rare, I know this. However, it is not completely unheard of. As such, I will only risk damage to my children with necessary vaccinations. Measles can be serious so I would agree a vaccination is worth the potential risk. Mumps usually is not. Rubella certainly is not unless one happens to be expecting a baby, which isn't the case in two prepubescent girls!

What are your actual issues with the mmr? Any vaccine even the single one gives the risk of brain swelling and death etc so why single the mmr out?

My son has had three mmr vaccines due to paperwork cock ups some children in Wales had it 5/6 mmr vaccines due to an outbreak because people won't vaccinate

Firstly, Anyone can make a report on Vaers. Lawyers have been known to report "reactions" to build a case.
This review by the OEM looks at Adverse Effects of Vaccines Links and Causality it is not as scary as it looks and easy to dip into , you can select specifically chapter on MMR.

There was research into "vaccine injury" which found that the children actually had an underlying genetic condition called Dravets syndrome. It is an extreme form of GEFS+ which my family have (DGM, DM, DSIS, DS and most dc in the family have a higher risk of FS) In Dravets fever causes seizures and the child goes on to have epilepsy and regression.This can be caused by any disease that causes fever not just a vaccine.
The well known case where there was a payout for MMR was actually on appeal. The child had a seizure cause by a fever 10 days after MMR (normally 7 days) and went on to regress.
The neurologist on the appeal panal actually voted against compensation as he felt there was underlying genetic cause for the seizure.