MMR

[Myprincess1]

I have been looking into the MMR and the side effects. Has anyone gone down the single vaccine route? Has anyone used Babyjabs before for Measles or Measles and Rubela? I am thinking of opting out of the MMR and going down the single route as we have epilepsy in the family and i am also concerned it might be too much all in one for my baby. The only problem is my baby will not be covered for mumps or rubela if I just get the Measles, or mumps if I go down the Measles/Rubela route. I will then look at giving the MMR before school. There also seems to be side effects with the singes, its a tough decision, but I need to get my baby vaccinated for the Measles as soon as possible.

[NellyMatrass]

@birdonawire1
Hello could i ask what single jabs have you used? And where? Thanks

[NellyMatrass]

@Myprincess1
Did you got the single route or MMR? If so how did it go with the m vac serum istitute of india? As im thinking of going the single route too. Thanks

[Myprincess1]

Thanks DrizzledWombat, I am still looking into this and will make a decision soon, thanks for your input.

[Myprincess1]

Hi Ellie,

They might want you to do the second dose because of low uptake, this is just a guess, not professional opinion. I am in London and I have spoken to the nurse when I put a hold on the first MMR, she has told me the next MMR would be at 3.5 years prior to school. Not sure if that helps. Do you mind me asking how old your little one was when he/she had first MMR dose.

[DrizzledWombat]

You are very right, I dont think google has been my best friend and just added to the fear of it, just worried for my little girl and want to do the right thing for her. I think I might just go ahead and do the MMR, based on all the things that could possibly happen if she didnt have it, its the chance i will have to take.

Yes, Google will show you all sorts of unscientific nonsense. Your GP doesn't want to harm your children, so he or she is your best source of advice.

You're absolutely right in your conclusion. If you get rid of all the sound and fury around vaccines, it comes down to a very simple choice:

a) Do you have your children vaccinated, with a tiny risk of harm?
b) Do you leave them unvaccinated, with a much higher risk of harm?

It really is that straightforward. Of course every parent wants the "No risk of harm" option, but unfortunately that option is not possible. So you're left with a choice between a tiny risk and a much larger risk, at which point the correct decision is obvious.

[EllieS86]

Hi Moms, we had MMR vaccines on the 5th of February this year and everything is Ok, but the nurse told me we need to have second dose of the vaccines again after 5th May this year. She told me this is how they have been doing it in London for the last 12 years. It’s very strange and confusing to me as in the red book it’s said second dose is given in age of 3 years and 4 months? Has anyone else had two doses of MMR in one year?

[bruffin]

My Ds had forceps delivery.
The irony of this thread is that back in the 60s I was not allowed to have the single measles vaccine (catch up campaign for older children) , because my sister had febrile convulsions. Nowadays this is not a contraindication for vaccines

this is from the The Green Book

False contraindications
The following conditions are NOT contraindications to routine immunisation (in some of
these situations, additional precautions may be required – refer to the relevant chapter for
further information):
●● family history of any adverse reactions following immunisation
●● previous history of the disease (with the exception of BCG for people who have evidence
of past exposure to tuberculosis)
●● contact with an infectious disease
●● premature birth
●● asthma, eczema or hay fever
●● mild self-limiting illness without fever, e.g. runny nose
●● treatment with antibiotics, topical and inhaled steroids
●● child’s mother or someone in the household being pregnant
●● currently breast-feeding or being breast-fed
●● history of jaundice after birth
●● under a certain weight
●● being over the age recommended in the routine childhood immunisation
●● schedule (except rotavirus – see chapter)
●● personal history of febrile convulsions or epilepsy
●● close family history (parent or sibling) of febrile convulsions or epilepsy
●● recent or imminent elective surgery
●● imminent general anaesthesia
●● unknown or inadequately documented immunisation history: see the algorithm for
vaccination of individuals with uncertain or incomplete immunisation status:
//www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/463433/HPAalgorithm-September-2015-04b.pdf
●● G6PD deficiency
●● food intolerances
●● interferons and other non-immunosuppressing

[PoutySprout]

Yes. Just one of those timing things.

They grabbed DD so hard they dented her jaw, so I can see how they could be worried about potential weaknesses in the membranes!

[Tinty]

PoutySprout

Oh that makes sense, I assume after a while they decided it was safe for babies born with a forceps delivery because my DS had it after forceps delivery.

[PoutySprout]

MMR had only existed for 5 years then so a precaution.

[PoutySprout]

Something to do with crossing brain membranes after skull trauma.

[Tinty]

I was born at a time when MMR wasn’t given to babies born by forceps.

That is really bizarre why would being born by forceps make a difference to your likelihood of getting measles, mumps or rubella?

Was it because they felt you were more likely to have side effects because you hadn't had a normal birth?

[PoutySprout]

I’ll just add that me and my sister had mumps as young children...I can very clearly remember the agony of it and my hospital stay over 30 years later.

My sister is deaf in one ear because of it.

Me too. I also suffered hearing loss. I was born at a time when MMR wasn’t given to babies born by forceps. Had measles and mumps and rubella and whilst I loved, at least 2 caused permanent issues with my ears.

My daughter was born by forceps and she had the MMR the minute she was old enough. Far more evidence in support of it than not. And I wasn’t going to risk history repeating for her.

There’s also the herd immunity argument.

[Tinty]

I just wanted people opinions as I would like to take up mmr but have concerns. Lots pf people have had the MMR for their children and they are fine i know.

My DS was young when the panic about the MMR first happened. I was worried but he had the jab and was fine.

Quite a few people in my area didn't have their DC immunised and 5 years later a few DC in my area got mumps. A couple of DC have problems with hearing now, luckily I don't know of anyone with worse problems but the young boys are only early 20's now over the next 10 - 20 years or so they may find a few of these boys are now infertile.

The mumps outbreak could possibly have been prevented if they had had the MMR.

[bruffin]

They had to fihht because it was not straight foreward fine one day and regress the next. It obviously wasnt "clearly" vaccine damage, and as i said above the most qualified of the panal (a neurologist, a lawyer and a gp i believe) did not agree that it was vaccine damage. I think he was seen the day of the first febrile convulsion with an ear infection 10 days after mmr.( i may be wrong but that is what i remember rwading)
My dc used to get febrile convulsions from ear infections.

[Myprincess1]

Thanks for all your replies. Thank you WYP2018. You are very right, I dont think google has been my best friend and just added to the fear of it, just worried for my little girl and want to do the right thing for her. I think I might just go ahead and do the MMR, based on all the things that could possibly happen if she didnt have it, its the chance i will have to take.

[Artfullydead]

No, they didn't. They had to fight didn't they?

A lot of people don't want to admit vaccine damage ever happens, funny that.

[WYP2018]

I’ll just add that me and my sister had mumps as young children...I can very clearly remember the agony of it and my hospital stay over 30 years later.

My sister is deaf in one ear because of it.

I’m scientifically trained and all of my kids have had all of their vaccines, I paid for chicken pox too. I know once you start googling it becomes very unclear what to do, but ask your GP what they did with their own kids. Bet I know the answer.

[Heratnumber7]

....and this is why vaccination ought to be compulsory for everyone except those who have a medical condition which might be adversely affected by it.

I can't believe some people are STILL refusing to vaccinate!!

[bruffin]

You seriously think Robert Fletcher was just a coincidence?
The neurologist (and most qualified) on the appeal panal said he believed he had an underlying genetic cause and his regression would have happened anyway, which was why he did not support the appeal. Note first time round Robert Fletchers parents did not "win"
Look up Dravets disease

[Myprincess1]

Thanks Bruffin I will look into this.

[Artfullydead]

You seriously think Robert Fletcher was just a coincidence?

[Myprincess1]

KissingInTheRain sorry if you feel this way, i am not saying dont vaccinate, thats not what i am saying, i just wanted people opinions as i would like to take up mmr but have concerns. Lots pf people have had the MMR for their children and they are fine i know this.

[bruffin]

I explained the Robert Fletcher case above!

[Myprincess1]

Thanks OneShotFinch. Its such a worry, I would love to just go ahead and do it but Im just concerend about side effects and people reporting their children regressed afterwards, perhaps this in in children with a low immune system, i dont know they all say they were fine, and then they were not themselves afterwards, banging heads on walls etc, very few but still some cases. And there was that case with robert fletcher who was in the paper for brain damage.