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The Westministenders / Media Baron Hunger Games continues. Who is trying to outmanoeuvre who?

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RedToothBrush · 07/07/2016 16:21

Don't worry we've all lost track.

In the Blue Corner
It started out with Cameron and Osborne trying to win the battle of the Tories, but they got stung in a UK wide vote. Some of us thought it was about the 'EU'. Instead it has turned out it was an internal Tory Bitch fight between some old Oxford and Eton mates, whilst for others a protest vote at being disenfranchised.
Gove and Johnson stabbed Cameron & Osborne in the back to run for Team Leave. Then they won when they didn't expect to. And there was no Plan. Uh Oh. Then it all started to go really wrong.
Cameron quit in disgust. Johnson went all President Churchill, before he also got stabbed by Gove (possibly with the assistance of the dark influence of Osborne).
We now have a Tory Smackdown with the shadowy influence of the Media Barons in the background.

#Team Gove has been doing their best with the knives. This is a mission to stab as many Tory MPs in the back as possible in order to become PM. Sponsored and supported by Murdoch

#Team Leadsom has been selling more unicorns and trying to pretend her CV and tax return are completely transparent. Think positive and the economy will be just fine. She is the homeopathy of politics. Sponsored and supported by Arron Banks, Leave.eu, UKIP and Britain First.

#Team May has been threatening to deport everyone if the EU don't play nice. Sponsored and supported by The Daily Mail's Dacre

In The Purple Corner
Tragically, it appears that not only do UKIP have a Plan A, they also have outwitted everyone by having Plan B. Yes that’s right TWO plans.
Farage has swanned off –sacked—for a life on CBB so they are looking for a new leader.
The potential candidates are all equally loathsome. They include Arron Banks himself, a suspended member of the party and several other people with an uncanny ability to put their foot in their mouths.
If this wasn't horrible enough, Team Leadsom is increasingly starting to look like a UKIP take over bid of the Conservative Party, which might be a neat way of avoiding a leadership battle of their own considering the quality of the candidates on offer.

In short, its a bit like a Bad Dystopian Movie that invokes Godwin, set in 2016 Westminster. Except its real.
In the Red Corner
Meanwhile the WMD has finally gone off in the Labour Camp, as Chilcot has been published. However the Chicken Coup rattles on regardless.

Corbyn is STILL clinging on, putting in a good claim for the Westminster 'Charlie off Casualty' Award. He has however had his Big Moment in the Commons. Which was a bit of a let down really. ...

The Unions have been trying to talk some sense into everyone. Meanwhile everyone else is has given up and are now just praying for a ruddy miracle to end this torture and give the country an opposition party.

Angela Eagle is still outside for the 5th day in a row, going "I will stand. Soon. If he doesn't quit" The BBC now qualify for a discount deal at the local Travel Lodge.

We FINALLY know who the fuck Owen Smith is! He's a Welsh MP and sounds like he's not completely away with the political fairies.

George Galloway appears to be trying to make a late bid to be included on the ballot paper for any leadership election.
Bliar's cried. We didn't. Chilcot took over 2 million words to tell us everything we already knew. As well as the fact that Mi6 like Nicholas Cage a lot.

The Cult of Momentum are still worshiping their Dear Leader by sending death threats to PR companies they suspect of disloyalty. Somehow they still manage not to get the title of the most vile pressure group in the UK.

And I suppose I should ask, when will a50 be triggered....? And by whom?

All these questions and more.
Tin foil hats now available upon request

Sense of humour compulsory. No experience necessary though

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GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 15:19

She said in an interview today that she regretted that vote.

She may have said that, but I don't believe it for a moment. She voted against an investigation as well. I would say that she regrets it now that she's preparing to challenge for leadership as it may count against her. But she's shown no regret up until now.

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 15:20

yy ginger it was someone on twitter, can't remember who, though! My personal rule is that if ND says it, I can safely ignore it.

CityAM editor:
Christian MayVerified account
‏@ChristianJMay
Vast swathes of the British legal establishment are on manoeuvres this weekend, gearing up for action next week to impede Art 50 decision.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 15:37

The response I've seen is that these swathes would fit in a mini bus with space.

Fairly reputable tweeter.

Don't pin your hopes on anything.

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HesterThrale · 10/07/2016 15:39

Whether AE succeeds in her bid or not, we need some clarity and unity in the Labour Party, and it will force the issue.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 15:40

Bathroom Sounds like the MPs are trying to pull a fast one on JC re the ballot then. I don't agree with how either side are dealing with this now, but surely they can all follow basic rules, right?

Depends on what you think the basic rules are:

Corbyn thinks as current leader he automatically goes on the ballot.
The PLP think he still needs 50 nominations to get on the ballot.

So they can't even agree on their own rules of election.

Hence why this could end up in court.

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GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 15:43

I would have thought by very nature of the word leadership "challenge" that it means the current leader is in the running. Otherwise it's not a challenge, it's a "ignore the current leader and put two completely different people up for a vote" kind of thing. Grin

GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 15:54

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/vote-leave-watch-hold-brexit-campaigners-to-account-promises?CMP=fb_gu

I would rather see them focusing on pulling Labour back together. This just seems more divisive to me. We have a government to keep the Brexit on the course it needs to be, so why create this big public "us v them" kind of thing?

ChardonnayKnickertonSmythe · 10/07/2016 15:57

Just for fun.

twitter.com/LeadsomsTips

borntobequiet · 10/07/2016 16:00

There's a thread on here about napkins. This is a subject on which we have heard nothing of the views of either of the Tory leadership contenders. When will a journalist be brave enough to ascertain their stances vis a vis serviettes/napkins and whether they should be paper, cotton or linen? Of course the clincher will be do they iron or not. (This would automatically exclude any fan of paper.)
Come to think of it, it would be interesting to hear what Jeremy Corbyn and Angela Eagle think, in the interest of being balanced.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 16:15

www.itv.com/news/london/2016-07-10/westminster-brought-to-a-standstill-as-a-crowd-chants-hands-up-dont-shoot-in-black-lives-matter-protest/

Protest in sympathy about the USA and racist police (suggesting British ones) in London today.

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derxa · 10/07/2016 16:18

Can we get Leadsom on here. We are Mums after all. C'mon Justine set it up Grin

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 16:25

medium.com/@OwenJones84/declaration-by-labour-mps-that-they-wont-split-whatever-happens-d89a6c607e86#.1qzi9wadh

This is ominous.

You know when the board say they fully support their manager in football, about two days before he gets the sack?

Well. That.

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Unicornsarelovely · 10/07/2016 16:28

In a similar vein the Sunday times confirmed that Cameron had expressed his full confidence in crabb about the sex tapes. I guess his resignation will be in tomorrow?!

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 16:35

Tim Loughton is Andrea Leadsom's campaign manager.

In September 2013 the Telegraph quoted a speech of his to Conservative activists:

"The person who was actually in charge of family policy amongst the ministerial team at the DfE was Sarah Teather. Which was a bit difficult because she didn't really believe in family.

"She certainly didn't produce one of her own. So it became a bit of a family-free zone. I think that was a huge disappointment."
Loughton later told the BBC that he would apologist to Teather.

Jo Swinson had it right in her quote in the Telegraph story:

"Using someone’s lack of children as an insult is shameful, crass and, frankly, disgusting. It reflects far more on him than on Sarah."
All in all, a remarkable coincidence.

Isn't it just?

How do we feel about Leadsom's piece to The Times now?

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RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 16:44

Owen Smith Verified account @OwenSmith_MP 7 hrs ago
On July 27 [sic] I asked @jeremycorbyn 3 times if he was prepared to see our party split & worse, wanted it to. He offered no answer 1/2

Owen Smith Verified account @OwenSmith_MP

2/2 in the same meeting, in response to the same question @johnmcdonnellMP shrugged his shoulders and said 'if that's what it takes.'

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TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 16:51

There was a followup to that second OS tweet where McDonnell said 'Oh no I didn't' and some other MP came back with 'yes you did I was there'. Will see if I can find it again.

re TLoughton: he's a weasel who comes across as particularly weaselly on TV, he's also godfather to Loathsome's oldest child, I think he said this morning.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 16:52

Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch · 2m2 minutes ago
The worst of it is I am a Cameronite and Andrea is moderate while Theresa is hard right authoritarian. Left ignoring that for Remain badge

That'll be reflected in her voting record then, right?

Oh. Bugger.

That would be reflected in the fact that UKIP/BNP/Britain First/Arron Banks support May then won't it.

Oh Bugger.

It was May who went to a Tea Party conference in the USA then wasn't it?

Oh Bugger.

You don't need to tell me that May is a hard right authoritarian (who will keep MPs in line), but telling me the Leadsom is 'moderate'?

Louise Mensch does give me a good laugh somedays.

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GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 16:54

In a similar vein the Sunday times confirmed that Cameron had expressed his full confidence in crabb about the sex tapes

His full confidence about what??? Crabb isn't denying it. (at least not that I've seen)

How do we feel about Leadsom's piece to The Times now?

I saw that too, about Loughton. Right piece of work, he is. AL is no better.

I'd like to think there are a fair few conservatives that recognise that AL is not qualified for the job (regardless of her status as a mum) and will realise that if she is the PM, their finances could be affected in a very negative way.

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 16:54

JC claimed he'd led Labour to defeat the Gov on tax credits etc. In response the official Labour House of Lords twitter feed points out it was them:

LabourLordsUK ‏@LabourLordsUK 3h 3 hours ago
Tax credit cuts (Govt u-turn), child refugees (climbdown), Trade Union Bill (concessions), Housing Bill (changes) & more to come from us 👋

GingerIvy · 10/07/2016 16:55

There was a followup to that second OS tweet where McDonnell said 'Oh no I didn't' and some other MP came back with 'yes you did I was there'. Will see if I can find it again.

I saw that too. It's like a bloody panto. Hmm

TheBathroomSink · 10/07/2016 16:55

Hilary Benn has been fairly scathing in response to anti-winning Momentum man

officerhinrika · 10/07/2016 17:02

Stop posting so fast! Can't keep up, must read faster.

RedToothBrush · 10/07/2016 17:16

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/andrea-leadsom-tax-return-theresa-may-transparency-tory-leadership-contest-conservative-a7129711.html

Leadsom's tax return has arrived!!!

(but there's a catch. Oh surprise)

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