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Elderly parents

My head is spinning trying to plan for my father's future.

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NigglyPig · 05/08/2026 12:23

Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated! Sorry, this will be long.

My dad had a stroke in May and spent around a month in hospital. Although he hasn’t lost the use of his limbs, he is now very frail and has vision problems caused by the stroke.

He was discharged home, where he lives alone in a two-storey house. There are several steps up to the front door, more steps throughout the back garden, and the main bathroom is upstairs. Downstairs, there is only a toilet with a tiny sink. A bed was set up in the living room and carers were arranged several times a day to administer his many medications.
I live overseas and initially had to rely on family and friends for updates, as Dad was very confused and I couldn’t depend on what he was telling me. He asked my mum how her dad was, even though he died several years ago, and asked me where Mum lives now, despite her having lived in the same house since the 1970s.

After returning home, Dad repeatedly fell, was extremely forgetful and wasn’t eating properly. We don’t know whether he had become used to being given three meals a day in hospital, couldn’t be bothered to prepare food, or simply forgot to eat. People would visit him, but he often couldn’t remember that they had been there.

I booked a flight over to help him and make the house safer, but before I arrived he fell again, breaking his collarbone and splitting his head open. He was readmitted to hospital. He also has type 2 diabetes, and his HbA1c was 18 when he was admitted.

When I arrived two weeks ago, I spoke to the ward staff about what should happen next and explained how worried I was about him returning home. One member of staff referred to his previous discharge as a “failed discharge”, so at least it seems to be recognised that sending him home was the wrong decision.
He was moved to a hospital rehabilitation centre two weeks ago. He expected to receive regular physiotherapy to rebuild his strength and stamina, as he has lost a great deal of weight and muscle. Unfortunately, very little rehabilitation seems to be happening. He spends most of the day sitting in his room and is not allowed to leave without supervision. We can take him for short walks or longer trips in a wheelchair, but he is becoming extremely frustrated and bored.
He has apparently had a couple of exercise sessions, but he can’t remember them and insists they never happened.

An occupational therapist called me on Saturday and said she had tried to complete a Mental Capacity Assessment, but Dad wasn’t interested in participating. She said he seemed more focused on the drink she had made him than answering her questions. Someone tried again two days later, but he apparently refused.
Dad told me that someone had spoken to him that day, but she spoke so quietly that he couldn’t understand her. His hearing is very poor, even with hearing aids. I have told him that if anyone tries again, he must explain clearly if he cannot hear or understand them.

The OT understands that I am only here for another couple of weeks, although I will return next month, and she is trying to move things forward. My biggest concern is that Dad will be found to have capacity and will choose to return home, despite having told the OT himself that he does not believe he would be safe there.

He has less than £13,000 in savings, receives a pension but no other benefits, and does not own any property or significant assets.

I am struggling to get clear answers, as I can ask two people the same question and receive two completely different responses. The OT seems very helpful, but I don’t know what else I should be doing, what assessments or funding I should be asking for, or what benefits I could apply for on Dad’s behalf.
With his permission, I am also in the process of arranging Lasting Power of Attorney.

For anyone who has been through a similar situation, do you have any advice about what I should be asking for or doing next?
Thank you!

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MysterOfwomanY · 05/08/2026 13:15

Attendance Allowance?
If you search for previous posts mentioning that.
Who is he renting from?
If it's an owned place that's one thing; if it's a rented place and the renter wants to install a stair lift and then start forgetting the job or the taps are on or have unacknowledged continence issues all over the carpet... You see what I mean.

TBH it might be worth finding out what (if anything) support you yourself can get. Would you at least be able to take extra unpaid leave?

GET A NOTEBOOK and write everything down. Not just who you spoke to, when, what they said, what/when to follow up. But also, your Dad.
"Mon 3 aug 10-12h Visited Dad - he can't remember my visit yesterday - needed help to get to loo and to clean up after - told me X but the carer on the ward says that's not the case - forgot to eat his lunch, had to be reminded..."
Etc. It will be upsetting. But it's ammunition for you to fight for your Dad to get appropriate care.
And to fill in claim forms.

The LA will have to pay for his care. They're all broke, so they won't want to. But, it sounds like he's not quite safe to be at home...and may never be :(

In your case health LPA may be more important. If you can, get that... yesterday. Before someone decides he doesn't have capacity to sign it.
Though luckily, capacity is decision specific. So not being able to remember you left the gas on doesn't mean you can't recognise your daughter and be ok with her speaking for you.

People will give you better answers, but you'll find you're not alone here. I just wanted to give you something to start working with.

Soontobe60 · 05/08/2026 13:19

Arrange for Adult Social care to carry out a capacity assessment and make sure you’re present when this happens.

LoafofSellotape · 05/08/2026 13:22

It's a failed discharge so they will be mindful of what happens now. My mum had 6 weeks in a rehab, not much goes on tbh but they are monitored to see what they can and can't do so they know what the next stage will be. My mum is now in a nursing home for 6 weeks with a view to staying permanently. Tell the OT you want to be informed of everything and he is NOT to be discharged without discussion with you first. I am also terrified that mum will want to go back to her flat at the end of the six weeks but she really can't.

NigglyPig · 05/08/2026 13:39

MysterOfwomanY I update my husband back home daily so there’s a written log there plus I have made notes too.
The house belongs to me, has done for many years. I’m happy to make changes, but as you say, that won’t stop him leaving the tap on ot going to bed leaving the front door wide open.
I’m self-employed which simplifies things a bit. It leaves a big burden on DH but he’s managing with help so far. I have to be home for the end of the month but I am able to come again next month.
LPAs for both health and finance are in progress. An old friend will visit him on Friday to witness him sign.
Attendance Allowance is on my to-do list but I don’t know what else I should be looking to claim for. Thank you 😊

Soontobe60 Thank you, this is on the cards because he couldn’t/wouldn’t do the MCA with the OT but I don’t know when and wasn’t aware I could be present.

LoafofSellotape Despite my Dad telling the OT he doesn’t think he’d be safe alone I think he would prefer to go home because he believes he will be able to get fitter and stronger there. He can walk with a stick, but not very far so his plans of walking around the local park when he gets home are just fantasy.

I’m not sure his meds were not administered correctly while he was at home. He has over a dozen daily and I’m not convinced he was given them with food if he should have been. He was constantly vomiting. One day a friend went in and he was sat on the sofa in a daze covered in puke 😞

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LoafofSellotape · 05/08/2026 13:59

NigglyPig · 05/08/2026 13:39

MysterOfwomanY I update my husband back home daily so there’s a written log there plus I have made notes too.
The house belongs to me, has done for many years. I’m happy to make changes, but as you say, that won’t stop him leaving the tap on ot going to bed leaving the front door wide open.
I’m self-employed which simplifies things a bit. It leaves a big burden on DH but he’s managing with help so far. I have to be home for the end of the month but I am able to come again next month.
LPAs for both health and finance are in progress. An old friend will visit him on Friday to witness him sign.
Attendance Allowance is on my to-do list but I don’t know what else I should be looking to claim for. Thank you 😊

Soontobe60 Thank you, this is on the cards because he couldn’t/wouldn’t do the MCA with the OT but I don’t know when and wasn’t aware I could be present.

LoafofSellotape Despite my Dad telling the OT he doesn’t think he’d be safe alone I think he would prefer to go home because he believes he will be able to get fitter and stronger there. He can walk with a stick, but not very far so his plans of walking around the local park when he gets home are just fantasy.

I’m not sure his meds were not administered correctly while he was at home. He has over a dozen daily and I’m not convinced he was given them with food if he should have been. He was constantly vomiting. One day a friend went in and he was sat on the sofa in a daze covered in puke 😞

Oh goodness,poor man. Keep talking to the OTs as they're the ones who will organise discharge. Express your concerns. Write them down so when you speak to them you know just what to say. Keep repeating that it would be unsafe . My mum had the same issues with carers , they pop in for 15 mins but anything other than getting mum dressed was beyond them. We also had meds issues which is impossible to micromanage from a distance. I am 4 hours from my mum and I stressed that over and over again that I simply wasn't in a position to care for her.

Just to reassure you,mum is in a lovely home and well cared for BUT the one social services wanted to place her in was horrendous so you or a member of your family must check them out in person ,don't just go on reviews as the reviews for this one were fantastic which was bizarre.

Once mum said she didn't want to go home as she didn't feel safe a social worker did an assessment at the rehab and helped us find a placement for her.

Don't make an appt when visiting homes,just turn up unannounced and see what it's like,

I really feel for you ,it's so stressful 💐

catofglory · 05/08/2026 14:35

The hospital staff will all say different things, don't worry about that, they are not the ones organising permanent care for him. As your dad has no money or property to self fund his care, he is dependant on Social Services funding his care.

You need to call Adult Social Care and ask them to meet him and assess his care needs. Social Services prefer the ‘least restrictive’ (which also happens to be the cheapest) option, so their first offer may be to send him home with four care visits a day. Be explicit that you do not believe he can manage at home with a care package. Make sure you tell them everything you have written on this thread about how badly it went last time.

If they do insist on at-home care, you will have to let it be tried, it will almost certainly quickly fail again and they will reassess. I would not put in major adaptations at home because I doubt he will be there long enough to use them.

Once they agree a care home is needed, they have to find at least one care home which meets his needs. But you will probably have little choice in where he goes.

You do not want him assessed as not having capacity before he signs the LPAs. He has to have capacity in order to understand and sign.

(If he stays at home he can claim Attendance Allowance, but if he is in a care home funded by social services, he cannot.)

hahabahbag · 05/08/2026 14:56

He needs to be assessed, if it’s health related nhs continuing care should be your first option as that’s not means tested, second option is adult social services. As far as paying for care if you have to go down the social services route, they will look into finances carefully, you say you own the property, but did he own it before and how did the transfer happen? They will be looking to see if it’s deprivation of assets

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 05/08/2026 15:17

Getting the POA signed is an absolute priority - he needs to have the capacity to understand what he is signing, and it sounds as if he is very close to not having that mental capacity.

He is nowhere near the threshold for Continuing Health Care but he will qualify for council-funded social/personal care; this will be at the level they believe he needs it based on their assessment. It will be their decision whether he goes home with carers coming in (and how often) or goes into residential care.

I assume he is still in hospital? Are there any discharge plans being formulated?

unsevered67 · 05/08/2026 15:25

Your dad need to have capacity to sign the POA documents. Capacity is decision specific so someone can have capacity to make decisions about some things and not others. There may be a view however that if he has the capacity to sign a welfare POA then he has the capacity to decide to go home.
Also you can enact financial powers while someone still has capacity if they agree, but you can’t enact welfare powers until the person lacks capacity. So you can’t have capacity to sign welfare POA , and then immediately be found incapable for it to be acted upon.
Thats not to say it’s not worth having them in place but there could be an argument that you can’t invoke the powers immediately.
He does need an assessment by adult social services as they will be funding future care for him- whether at home or in care. The bar for nhs continuing care is very high and from what you’ve said here it’s unlikely he would fit the criteria. They should ( hopefully) be able to help you move forward and also maximise any benefits he’s entitled to.

Have you tried to discuss the options with your dad . Would he listen to medical/ nursing staffs opinions

NigglyPig · 05/08/2026 16:43

LoafofSellotape it sounds like your situation was very similar to mine. I'm 3 flights away but luckily he has a very good relationship with my Mum and her husband, his next ex (and her partner/his friend - it gets complicated lol) and has a lot of really good friends who are doing a lot for him as well as keeping me in the loop.
We checked out one care home a friend said was "lovely". It was clean and the staff were nice but it wasn't at all homely or inviting. My Mum used to work in one, right on a lake that was more like a 5-star hotel so something like that would be lovely, but also £££,

catofglory what you say makes sense, and I agree with not making many changes at home. I've told everyone I've talked to that if he goes home he will end up right back in hospital. The LPAs will be signed and witnessed on Friday morning so hopefully no assessment before then!

hahabahbag he did own the property but I bought it off him probably 13-15 years ago so I don't think deprivation of assets should apply here (hopefully!)

LadyGardenersQuestionTime he's in a rehab centre which is considered part of the hospital he was discharged from, albeit in a different location. The OT, who I get the most comprehensive info from, said he has to undergo assessments before they can come up with a plan. I'm now hoping the LPA gets signed before this is complete.

unsevered67 "There may be a view however that if he has the capacity to sign a welfare POA then he has the capacity to decide to go home." I can see this being exactly what happens. He wants to go home because he thinks he can make himself stronger, walk etc. He's being very shortsighted in that respect.
With regards to the health & welfare LPA I want it for when/if he lacks capacity, and only then, but I understand what you're saying.
I have tried discussing his options but his reaction depends on the day. I think he thinks all care homes will be the same as where he is now which is absolutely not the case. Here, he is not allowed to leave his room unsupervised for risk of a fall.

I think he has mental capacity but lacks the ability to look after himself safely, if that makes sense.

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LoafofSellotape · 05/08/2026 18:54

If he hasn't got savings he won't be going to a 5 star luxury place unless you can bay the couple of grand a week that those places cost. The social worker will suggest a placement and you have to have a good reason for turning it down- I had about 20 reasons to turn it down and actually reported it - but you can view ones they suggest. We knew as soon as we spoke to the staff at mums one, it just had a lovely vibe and so far so good.

LoafofSellotape · 05/08/2026 18:56

I imagine they would want to know why you bought the property off him even if it was years ago.

DemonsandMosquitoes · 05/08/2026 19:44

There is no minimum time limit they can go back looking for deprivation of assets. Why did you buy the house, and has your DF been paying you rent?

MysterOfwomanY · 05/08/2026 20:18

Worth making notes about what he says vs what he does.
I have a friend who's had absolutely rotten luck with health and now has v v little mobility - can walk a few steps - and can't see (at all).
Friend will make v plausible noises about "practicing walking", "getting stronger", and if you suggest any sort of activity possible now, will start going on about "well hopefully I will recover some sight and then that would be WONDERFUL".
Does not, in fact, do much in the way of walking.
Has been told repeatedly, by many doctors, the bad news that sight is kaput, not coming back.
If you are "lucky", will start confabulating, again, fairly fluently and plausibly, right in front of you, incorporating random stuff you just said.
If you read court of protection cases about capacity on https://www.bailii.org/
Over and over again you read that (and this is decision specific) the person has to be able to understand, retain, and use information to make whatever the decision is.
So you get, for example, women with anorexia nervosa, who will argue fluently that they can make decisions about their treatment and they should be allowed home and tube feeding should be off the table, and the evidence says that the last 17,000 times they went home they in fact lost huge amounts of weight and nearly died.
So the judge says, you have capacity to instruct lawyers and take legal action, but not to make decisions about your AN treatment.

Generally however, it never comes to this. A mixture of "well the home is just for now, until you get stronger and you'll be safe at home" (technically true), careful advice from social workers and medics, and maybe a bit of strategic bursting into tears from Daughter about how a considerate Dad would listen, and not worry her so ...
Gets you to a grudging acceptance, which is all you need to start with.

NigglyPig · 05/08/2026 22:15

My Dad shared his house with his DP. The official plan was that the surviving partner could live in the house until they died and then the house would be split 50/50 between myself and his partner's son. I'm an only child. When they split up years ago my Dad asked me to buy his partner out so I paid for half the house and would inherit the other half when he shuffles off.
Nothing nefarious. If they sold it and split the proceeds 50/50 neither would have enough to buy another place. This arrangement gave his partner her full share and him a place to live out his days.
No he has not been paying rent but pays all insurances and expenses, maintenance and necessary upgrades.

MysterOfwomanY that's the kind of noises he's been making. Grabs hold of the parasol pole in the community garden to do squats but doesn't actually walk there and back. Sight is actually improving, which we've seen some evidence of. Won't ever drive again despite what he hopes for.

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NigglyPig · 05/08/2026 22:16

LoafofSellotape there are some good choices around here and I just hope that they suggest one of them.

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NigglyPig · 07/08/2026 19:22

So, an update today.
He's not eligible for any care home funding so he will be sent home with a care package. I will try and get him out asap and move in with him to help him until the care package is in place.
I see it as temporary and will look for somewhere more suited to his needs with 24/7 support should he need it. I can't remember the term. Sheltered housing? Assisted living? Independent living?

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