Plan B

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Are they nudging us to plan B with the presser on Sunday the articles in the papers the headlines on Sky and BBC being the worst in Europe.

I can't see another lockdown happening but masks easy fix and work from home well for some.

What's plan Z?

At this rate....

YouGov Save lives/Economy gender weighted results are in:

[quote bluetuesdayy]@Anythingbutsnow surely that's not true. Saving every single life cannot be done. Are people thick?[/quote]
Yeah.

That's why when you go to hospital the doctors and nurses just stand round your bed and wave you off into the afterlife.

You can't save every life so obviously there's no point in even trying.

People think “the economy” is stocks and shares and rich people in suits. Not children growing up in poverty, or what long-term unemployment and deprivation might to do someone’s life expectancy.

@GoldenOmber

People think “the economy” is stocks and shares and rich people in suits. Not children growing up in poverty, or what long-term unemployment and deprivation might to do someone’s life expectancy.

The Torys have more control over that. They just don't want to

[quote JesusIsAnyNameFree]@Tuba437

You're wrong. It's in the news in other countries.[/quote]
The only reason it's in the news is because our retarded media love to whip up a storm without caring about the consequences of it. Much like many scaremongering posters on here.

Why does France not get mentioned more? There hospitalisations are very similar to ours yet the only have 25% of our reported cases... either were testing too much or others aren't testing nearly enough. Especially now France decided its a good idea that now the demographic most like to transmit the virus (unvacinated) now have to pay for lateral flow tests, .... how people can't see that this will manipulate case numbers to look lower is beyond me.

Does anyone actually have a graph of our current weekly excess deaths (not yearly) I'd be surprised if its much over the average.

@PrincessNutNuts if you honestly believe they will save every life regardless of cost etc you must be kidding yourself. Without sounding horrible they are not going to spends thousands and thousands on saying say a 95 year old life. It's just not viable. The could most like give them a few more months but it's not cost effective when that money could be spent saving a much younger life.

@Anythingbutsnow

If anyone does yougov poles, they are a good way of predicting what the government is planning. Today's question was 'what do you think is more important? Saving every single life or protecting the economy'. The results are showing about 60/20 in favour of first option.

That is heartwarming. And a relief.

The only reason it's in the news is because our retarded media love to whip up a storm without caring about the consequences of it. Much like many scaremongering posters on here.

It really isn't. It's because the figures for the UK are shocking.

Of course people will say the figures aren't accurate. It's because the Uk is doing more testing. It's because the UK is counting random deaths as COVID-related. It's because other countries aren't doing as well. But, cutting through the bullshit, the UK figures are shocking. The UK government response is shocking and people across the world are watching the situation in the UK and wondering how things went so wrong.

@Tuba437

No to all of it. It's in the news because once again this government won't do what needs to be done before it's too late. "Oh look, we are about to go right off this cliff. Eh let's see what happens. Oh shit we went off the cliff, pull the brakes, pull the brakes!!" And then we lie there, in the wreckage, once more. This government is a joke and so are we to everyone else.

^Frightening to think this is a parenting website.

@truthsayer35

Oh fun, a typical conspiracy theory style name spouting shite. What else is the Internet for?

Plan B is not a lockdown, you fucking numpty. Maybe read news that isn't coming from uneducated morons on Facebook. It might help you and your mental state greatly. Facebook is incredibly dangerous for certain people.

[quote bluetuesdayy]@Anythingbutsnow surely that's not true. Saving every single life cannot be done. Are people thick?[/quote]
It's a hypothetical survey. ALL people can't be saved, but the economy can't be perfect for all people either.

Reductive version:

Save your Mum?
Pay that computer analyst his furlough?

Now the choice gets easier.

And the results remember are published in a "most people would prefer for the vulnerable to be shielded again, even if that costs the economy" or: "most people think the economy should be protected at all costs and therefore WFH should be scrapped" way. The survey producers already know which sentences they're going to run with. They just insert dramatic "bait" questions to get their numbers.

In the real world it's not so simple.

@Tuba437

France has masks in places like shops and vaccine passports.

That’s why their cases are lower

That’s what we should do. Period.

As it’s no hassle to anyone unless contraindicated to masks and vaccines

Just stupid and pathetic not to do this

@Cascascascas do you know how the vaccine passports work in France regarding boosters? In December I will be 6 months past my second jab but very unlikely to be called for a booster (thankfully). Would I still be classed as fully vaccinated?

[quote Cascascascas]@Tuba437

France has masks in places like shops and vaccine passports.

That’s why their cases are lower

That’s what we should do. Period.

As it’s no hassle to anyone unless contraindicated to masks and vaccines

Just stupid and pathetic not to do this[/quote]
So thell me why there hospitalisations are similar to ours? 6.5 k currently in hospital even though there cases are 25% of ours?

[quote PinkSparklyPussyCat]@Cascascascas do you know how the vaccine passports work in France regarding boosters? In December I will be 6 months past my second jab but very unlikely to be called for a booster (thankfully). Would I still be classed as fully vaccinated?[/quote]
I don't know about France but when boosters became available in Israel the people who didn't want it/get it had their vaccine pass removed.

There was public unrest not surprisingly.

Did we all find the French cases shocking back in April? When our cases were low? Did we look at them in horror and wonder why they refused to lockdown like we had done for months! I understood what Macron was doing then.

We’re all at different stages in this pandemic.

Tbh I think that poll just shows that the majority of the public haven’t got a clue.

Clearly if we closed roads, fenced off water, banned alcohol and sugar, we would see less deaths.

But those things are not compatible with a free society.

@GreenLakes

Tbh I think that poll just shows that the majority of the public haven’t got a clue.

Clearly if we closed roads, fenced off water, banned alcohol and sugar, we would see less deaths.

But those things are not compatible with a free society.

True

I can’t believe anyone takes it seriously, it’s so loaded it’s a thread on here not a poll

The government have totally messed up handling the pandemic. They have dug themselves into a position which isn’t working and the deaths from Covid still remain incredibly high.
They would be better (but Boris won’t) admit as soon as possible that changes are needed and make masks mandatory for everyone from 11+ in an indoor setting and recommend social distancing and working from home where possible.

@Parker231 do you really think deaths are 'incredibly high' ? Or have you lost all perspective of how many people die every day from a variety of things.

67 million people and 140 a day of Covid. 450 from Cancer.

Yes they are incredibly high when they could have been prevented. Other countries have handled Covid so much and have had less deaths.