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Conflict in the Middle East
Firealarm1414 · 03/06/2025 02:29

Chickenrun86 · 03/06/2025 01:45

All enjoying the same rights? I'm afraid that's not the case in Israel. Which other religion has its own state? I'm not aware of any.

You aren't aware of all the Muslim states in the middle east who have mostly driven out the jews who are indigenous to the area? And yes, Muslim Arab israeli citizens have equal rights to everyone else in israel and also have the freedom to practice their religion there, as do Christians and any other religion. Unlike many of their neighbors freedom of worship is allowed.

EasyTouch · 03/06/2025 08:01

Are you not aware of Vatican city, (Catholic Christian)Saudi Arabia, Shinto has Japan, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, and all the other Muslim THEOCRACIES in the whole wide world?

And please show me where Netanyahu said that he is bombing Gaza in the name of Judaism and not to protect Israel.

I ask this as you too confidently have made a false declaration about religions other than Judaism having its own state which can be easily disproven in the Middle East and outside.

I just do not like liars who have to lie in order to make a point.

Life in Israel is by no measure as bad for Muslim Arabs as it is in Northern Nigeria,.Syria, Somalia, increasingly Senegal, Niger, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Gaza, Egypt, Sudan and other places for non Muslims and in the case of Sudan Islamic anti Blackness is one of the social roots of thr war.against unambiguously Black (no Arab admixture) Sudanese who are either Muslim or low key Christian.

As is evident in the phenotype and skin colour of the overwhelming majority of the Sudanese refugee provenance diaspora scattered all over the world since the 1990s up to now.

So much for "In Islam we are all brothers and sisters" and "Bilal is very important in Islam" which is the non Black Muslim equivalent of "my best friend is Black" get out of jail card when confronted about Muslim anti Blackness and Islamic slave raids and trade in Sub Sahara Africa that was the blueprint for.the European incursion.

CowboyFromHell · 03/06/2025 08:12

Which other religion has its own state?

This statement is absurd. There is one Jewish state in the entire world. There are countless countries where Christianity, Islam etc are the state religion.

Yes, countries are on a spectrum as to how far the state and religion is intertwined, and how much power religion exerts in each country. But how has the fact that eg Iran is a Muslim country, or the UK is a Christian country, passed you by?

mouthpipette · 03/06/2025 08:30

Also pogroms existed in Palestine and the Middle East before the existence of modern Israel.

Not to a significant extent, they didn't. Up until the end of the 19th century arab and jew lived pretty well together across the middle east. Certainly in the 1920s, in Palestine, there was the start of arab mobs attacking jewish homes and jewish mobs attacking arab homes, but prior to the influx of Jews from Europe, life for Jews in arab lands was far, far better than life elsewhere. .

Quirkswork · 03/06/2025 08:39

Chickenrun86 · 03/06/2025 01:45

All enjoying the same rights? I'm afraid that's not the case in Israel. Which other religion has its own state? I'm not aware of any.

They are called theocracies. Iran is one very obvious example.

Seagullsandsausagerolls · 03/06/2025 09:32

Chickenrun86 · 03/06/2025 01:43

The issue is that Netanyahu is justifying what he is doing in Gaza in the name of Judaism. I feel for Jewish people but my empathy and concern is currently more for Palestinians who are being bombed and starved to death.

Is he? Is Hamas doing it in the name of every Muslim? I'm a protestant in.Northern Ireland and the UVF and UDA did nothing in my name.

I also can have sympathy for anyone being bombed, shot or attacked in anyway. It's really simplifying it to good guys and bad guys we're not 5 anymore it's not a game of cops and robbers. I really don't get "I save my sympathy for". My sympathy is for ALL innocents caught up in conflict. I've seen the devastation in my own village.

knitnerd90 · 03/06/2025 10:19

mouthpipette · 03/06/2025 08:30

Also pogroms existed in Palestine and the Middle East before the existence of modern Israel.

Not to a significant extent, they didn't. Up until the end of the 19th century arab and jew lived pretty well together across the middle east. Certainly in the 1920s, in Palestine, there was the start of arab mobs attacking jewish homes and jewish mobs attacking arab homes, but prior to the influx of Jews from Europe, life for Jews in arab lands was far, far better than life elsewhere. .

This is a bit of an oversimplification. There was formal discrimination. The best summary is that it was never as bad for Jews in Muslim countries as it was in Christian ones, but not as good either (post-emancipation in western and Central Europe).

there’s something of a revisionist trend to suggest it was either all miserable, or all harmonious. It was neither. The situation of Jews varied according to the temperament of whoever was ruling at the time. This is why the Rambam (Moses Maimonides) left Spain for Egypt, for example.

NotABottie · 03/06/2025 10:33

Good grief!

Blind hatred of Jews really makes people lose brain capacity is all I have to say.

Itscoldinside · 03/06/2025 12:54

Mohammed Sabry Soliman, 45, who is charged with a federal hate crime as well as state charges of attempted murder, assault and use of an explosive device, made a brief appearance in court on Monday.

Officials say the Egyptian national targeted a group of pro-Israel protesters at an outdoor mall in Boulder and shouted "Free Palestine" as he threw incendiary devices, injuring eight of them.

At least 16 unlit Molotov cocktails were found nearby afterwards. Investigators say he targeted the group after finding them online.

I don't understand how he thinks targeting Jews in the US (where this individual claimed asylum) helps Palestinian people.

Defenestre · 03/06/2025 20:20

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Unfortunately to most average people, Hamas, who carried out the horror of October 7th, represents the Palestinian people. So "Free Palestine" means Hamas, who are dedicated to the eradication of Jews. Most people aren't going to be giving much more deep thought than that. You can see why most people find it scary.

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Perhaps if your forebears always taught you to keep cash under the bed, your passport up to date, and a plan of how to escape, maybe then you'd understand what one jewish state in the world is important.

Honestly, how can anyone understand if they are not actually jewish? And how can anyone have the gall to tell jewish people how to react to what is happening in the world?

When any other minority says how it is, I believe them. Why not believe the Jews?

People's memories are painfully short.

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Badh · 03/06/2025 22:02

But many of us have ancestors who have suffered under the boot of others. Many ethnic groups and races have experienced horrific injustices. It doesn’t give anyone a god given right to their own state. I’m not saying that Isreal shouldn’t exist. Isreal should exists because it does already exists and most of the people who live their were born their and they have as much right to be there as anyone else. But it has nothing to do with their religion. I don’t believe they or anyone else has divine rights to certain land.

Discriminating laws like the nation state law show that Arab Muslims do not have the same rights either. A country should be for the good of all of its citizens.

Palestinians too have a right to their own state. Coexistence is the only answer really.

Topplantpot · 03/06/2025 22:52

MyBeloved · 03/06/2025 20:51

Perhaps if your forebears always taught you to keep cash under the bed, your passport up to date, and a plan of how to escape, maybe then you'd understand what one jewish state in the world is important.

Honestly, how can anyone understand if they are not actually jewish? And how can anyone have the gall to tell jewish people how to react to what is happening in the world?

When any other minority says how it is, I believe them. Why not believe the Jews?

People's memories are painfully short.

Do you believe the Palestinian minority?

MyBeloved · 03/06/2025 23:00

Topplantpot · 03/06/2025 22:52

Do you believe the Palestinian minority?

This thread is specifically asking about fear from those who chants death slogans at Jews. It is about the murdering of innocent Jews in the diaspora as a result of these slogans

Jews only have israel. The Holocaust would not have happened if Jews had their own state - just as all other religions do.

Christians, Muslims have many countries that are theirs. Why are you deflecting?

MyBeloved · 03/06/2025 23:05

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It is clear to me you have never visited Israel. The apartheid you speak of does not exist. Signs are written in Hebrew, Arabic and English. There are Arab Muslim doctors, lawyers, judiciary working alongside Jews. The Arab Muslims have equal access to healthcare, education, working rights. Also, israel holds two Pride celebrations each year.

I hope one day you will see for yourself.

TheMel · 03/06/2025 23:13

If Free Palestine isn't antisemitic, why is it only shouted at Jews?

Topplantpot · 03/06/2025 23:13

MyBeloved · 03/06/2025 23:00

This thread is specifically asking about fear from those who chants death slogans at Jews. It is about the murdering of innocent Jews in the diaspora as a result of these slogans

Jews only have israel. The Holocaust would not have happened if Jews had their own state - just as all other religions do.

Christians, Muslims have many countries that are theirs. Why are you deflecting?

So that’s a no then?

Defenestre · 03/06/2025 23:21

TheMel · 03/06/2025 23:13

If Free Palestine isn't antisemitic, why is it only shouted at Jews?

It isn't. It's chanted on marches and rallies all over the place, by large groups of people addressing everyone and noone in particular. What a ridiculous idea.

TheMel · 03/06/2025 23:27

Defenestre · 03/06/2025 23:21

It isn't. It's chanted on marches and rallies all over the place, by large groups of people addressing everyone and noone in particular. What a ridiculous idea.

Outside of rallies, when shouted at people, it's only shouted at Jews.

Defenestre · 03/06/2025 23:30

MyBeloved · 03/06/2025 23:05

It is clear to me you have never visited Israel. The apartheid you speak of does not exist. Signs are written in Hebrew, Arabic and English. There are Arab Muslim doctors, lawyers, judiciary working alongside Jews. The Arab Muslims have equal access to healthcare, education, working rights. Also, israel holds two Pride celebrations each year.

I hope one day you will see for yourself.

I have indeed never been to Israel, but that's not what I meant by apartheid. I said the Palestinians are kept in a state of apartheid - they are deprived of their own statehood and autonomy, yet kept apart from the state of their occupiers and not given equality within that state either.

Defenestre · 03/06/2025 23:31

TheMel · 03/06/2025 23:27

Outside of rallies, when shouted at people, it's only shouted at Jews.

So it's only shouted at jews, except when it isn't.

And you know that how?