Colorado - Is this is why people are now staring to fear the chant 'free Palestine'

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/01/boulder-colorado-attackcolora

Mumsnet removed my comment, I assume because they thought I was saying the attacks were a response to genocide. However, I was responding directly to the OP's post, saying that the chant of free palestine (used in peaceful protests everywhere) is a response to genocide and is not antisemitism. This comment should not have been removed as it is a perfectly reasonable statement to make.

This!

And this is your response to this incident? Vile.

Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing, any more than Palestinian and Hamas are the same thing. Or are you trying to suggest that attempting to murder people that you think are Jews (oddly, lots of people can abhor the keeping of hostages or the killing of civilians without being either Jewish or Palestinian) is justified? And how does that make the perpetrators better than what they claim to be protesting?

And that is before one takes into account that Trump has just had a lovely "win" again for his narrative that Muslims / Arabs / Palestinians / foreighners are the problem.

This is about an attack on supporters of families who have missing loved ones. Have some empathy FGS.

Opposite side of your quote. I don't support either side as it's too complicated but if you are trying to erase Palestine and Palestinians, razing the country to the ground, starving them to death and killing over 50,000 people then there is going to be a backlash

A backlash? to whom? Are you saying you think anti semetic attacks are understandable?

What is happening in Palestine also does not justify Jews being murdered because they're Jews. The average Jew on the street has no more control over the government than Palestinians have over Hamas. How does a Jewish person from America have any control on the situation? My friend born in Ireland now lives in America, never been to Israel has baby killer shouted at her on the street.

A comment on Facebook yesterday said "Any Jew will Do" as retribution for Palestine the amount of likes was terrifying.

No I don't think anti-Semitic attacks are understandable, the same as I don't think what's happening in Gaza now is understandable but both are happening.

There was a backlash to what Hamas did in Oct 23 and there's going to be a backlash to what Israel is doing now.

Do I wish none of it happened - yes - but actions have consequences on both sides.

Personally I just wish the killing on both sides would stop.

A backlash to whom? Jewish people who have absolutely nothing to do with the conflict or have any influence over it just living their lives?

And do you think any other groups of people should expect a backlash based on conflicts going on around the world ?

I can make the same case for people living in Palestine who have nothing to do with the conflict or have any influence over it just trying to live their lives.

None of it's right and no innocent people should be killed on either side. I condemn both sides, you just appear to be condemning one side.

The killings especially of innocent people is terrible on both sides and neither should be happening but they are.

I'm not advocating the killing of innocent Israel's the same as I don't advocate the killing of innocent Palestinians but we don't live in a vacuum, actions have consequences for both sides

You have referenced "sides" in this post? Do you think all Jews worldwide are part of this conflict ?

No shit Sherlock.

Not directed at you OP just dismayed by the general population’s dismal competence for pattern recognition.

I’m on planet earth with @Firealarm1414

Ok. Back on planet earth, us normal people would just rather Palestinians weren't murdered because some people can't stand the idea that Palestine exists.

This is not the converse of the previous post. Palestinians aren’t dying because Palestine exists, they’re dying because their terrorist government refuses to surrender in a war they started and are still holding hostages.

However, the government of Gaza has a clear and stated aim to destroy Israel simply for existing. And there is lots of support for this “from the river to the sea” plan. Globalising the intifada is simply taking it a step further to the rest of the world.

I honestly despair at people who “but both sides” this conflict. I disagree with lots of what Israel have done but the actions in attempting to destroy the terrorists and get their own people back are simply not comparable to the terrorists who are deliberately using civilians as human shields.

I can guarantee that if it were Britain under existential threat at least 90% of the population would be supporting the war effort.

Not that a backlash is right in any conflict but it's going to happen.

None of it happens in isolation.

Other groups have faced a backlash based on other conflicts so no it's not just the Jewish and yes in other conflicts they can expect a backlash from some people.

I'm not advocating backlashes but it's going to happen.

Muslims here face a backlash from previous terrorist attacks, people being attacked, mosques being attacked, that's not right either.

Should innocent people be killed - no - but there are innocent people being killed on both sides

I can guarantee that if it were Britain under existential threat at least 90% of the population would be supporting the war effort. @JemimaTiggywinkles

They probably would be, but Israel is not faced with an existential threat so that statement becomes pretty meaningless.
Israelis may be told that they are in danger of being wiped out, but that would be a falsehood perpetuated by their government to maintain the fighting spirit. There is no realistic way Israel could be wiped out.

Should innocent people be killed - no - but there are innocent people being killed on both sides

This is very hard work .

You said "both sides". Are you saying all Jewish people around the world are considered to be on one side and therefore part of the conflict? If so, surely that would mean every Muslim person in the world are on the other side wouldn't it? Surely you don't think every person who happens to have the same religion is therefore part of every conflict worldwide that involves that religion?

And see what happened to the Irish community in Birminghma after the pub bombings. The backlash was horrific. Ignorant, bigoted Brummies who thought that Irish and IRA were synonymous.

The chants 'from the river to the sea', 'globalise the itafada', 'by any means necessary' etc ...this is what they mean.

Hatred towards jewish people, the destruction of their businesses and homes, murdering jewish people...this is what those chants mean.

This is the consequence of equating criticism of Israel with anti-semitism.

Those with half a brain cell believe they are one and the same and hold ordinary Jews responsible for the acts of Israel.

To be honest I find it more chilling when Israel, the more dominant and the more aggressive power, claims it will have full control from the river to the sea. For the Palestinians, freedom is a dream. For Israel, control of that land is real eventuality.

@ButterBites No, this is what 'globalise the intafada ' actually means and looks like.

Wow, so it is less chilling that innocent jewish people who are remembering the hostages are attacked with a flame thrower, or gunned down outside a museum on the streets of America? Why? I'd be interested to hear how you reach such a conclusion.

Well you’re reaching aren’t you.

You claimed “River to the Sea” means hatred of Jewish people. I explained that I find the use in Israel of the chant to be more scary. Please explain how that means I somehow don’t have an issue with what happened in America. It’s those illogical conclusions posters like you reach to make your point that makes you lose legitimacy.