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Conflict in the Middle East

The UK, France and Canada threaten Israel

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Whatsinanamehey · 19/05/2025 21:54

"The leaders of Britain, France, and Canada on Monday threatened action against Israel if it does not stop a renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift aid restrictions"

"We have always supported Israel's right to defend Israelis against terrorism. But this escalation is wholly disproportionate," the three Western leaders said in the joint statement, adding that they will not stand by while Netanyahu's government pursues "these egregious actions."

My personal opinion is once again it is too little, too late. However I'm interested to hear opinions on what exactly this threatening action would consist of?

What has caused these governments to issue such a statement now and not before? The blockade of aid has been ongoing for more than two months. Why didn't they say take further action earlier?

Lastly, will this statement have any effect on the Netanyahu extremist government? Or will they brush it off as they usually do? I'm not sure as these are three powerful allies who have so far been quite wishy washy with their condemnation.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/uk-france-canada-threaten-israel-against-gaza-offensive-2025-05-19/

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sualipa · 20/05/2025 09:53

“The meaning of my words was clear: This war is the realization of the fantasies of Ben Gvir and Smotrich and if we allow them to put this into action, we will become a pariah state. It is time for us to have a backbone of hardened steel, we must stand up for our values as a Zionist, Jewish and democratic state,” former IDF General and Knesset mebmer and leader of teh Democrcts Golan argues.

“IDF fighters are heroes; government ministers are corrupt. The IDF is ethical, and the people are upright; the government is crooked. The war must be ended, the hostages returned, and Israel rehabilitated.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-20-2025/

The UK, France and Canada threaten Israel
Linguini · 20/05/2025 09:59

anotherside · 19/05/2025 23:08

The Israeli government is evil personified. They don’t care how many children starve.

Yes.
Purposefully starving to death thousands of babies doesn't get any more evil.

AIBUHere · 20/05/2025 10:02

sualipa · 20/05/2025 09:53

“The meaning of my words was clear: This war is the realization of the fantasies of Ben Gvir and Smotrich and if we allow them to put this into action, we will become a pariah state. It is time for us to have a backbone of hardened steel, we must stand up for our values as a Zionist, Jewish and democratic state,” former IDF General and Knesset mebmer and leader of teh Democrcts Golan argues.

“IDF fighters are heroes; government ministers are corrupt. The IDF is ethical, and the people are upright; the government is crooked. The war must be ended, the hostages returned, and Israel rehabilitated.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-20-2025/

Assume you agree with the ‘IDF fighters are hero’s and the IDF is ethical’ bit if you’re posting bits of the article for impact.

Golan obviously does not believe that the IDF is committing genocide or targeting innocents, including children.

Rather goes against the consensus on here which is that the IDF are blood thirsty monsters.

I guess desperation to make a point can make people forget what the point of that point is.

AIBUHere · 20/05/2025 10:07

Linguini · 20/05/2025 09:59

Yes.
Purposefully starving to death thousands of babies doesn't get any more evil.

What not more evil that deliberately starting a war to kill as many of your own people as possible and purposefully let them starve (allegedly), after butchering, raping and kidnapping thousands of your neighbours , including babies and children?

Hmm 🤔

deeahgwitch · 20/05/2025 10:07

I just don’t understand.
The Jews throughout history have suffered desperately.
What was done to them in Germany etc during the Second World War was utterly atrocious.
I just can’t understand how the Government of Israel can order laying siege on Gaza. Attacking Palestine.
Mans inhumanity to his fellow man is utterly baffling.
And heartbreaking Sad

Linguini · 20/05/2025 10:08

Countries in Asia such as Thailand and Malaysia have stopped allowing Israeli's in for their luxury holidays.
Europe needs to do the same.

America will never stop supporting whatever Israel wants to do, but we can.

anniegun · 20/05/2025 10:10

Too little too late. History will show we watched one of the cruelest acts of genocide and did nothing

Linguini · 20/05/2025 10:10

I just can’t understand how the Government of Israel can order laying siege on Gaza

They aren't just attacking Gaza. They've invaded the west bank on the opposite side, they e invaded Syria and Lebanon.

This is because they are aiming to create the Greater Isreal which crosses these areas and beyond. It's even a long time goal of America and Israel to achieve this. The amount of propaganda and media black outs on the subject is why most people have no clue.

Comedycook · 20/05/2025 10:11

deeahgwitch · 20/05/2025 10:07

I just don’t understand.
The Jews throughout history have suffered desperately.
What was done to them in Germany etc during the Second World War was utterly atrocious.
I just can’t understand how the Government of Israel can order laying siege on Gaza. Attacking Palestine.
Mans inhumanity to his fellow man is utterly baffling.
And heartbreaking Sad

What did the Jews do in 1930s Germany? Did they hurl rockets, rape, kidnap and murder thousands of people? No. Even if you think what's happening in Gaza is terrible, it's a rubbish comparison.

Linguini · 20/05/2025 10:13

There are a lot of Muslims who live in Israel (because they were born there, what with their family line being there first)
Isreal is busy expelling them too. They are attacking non Jewish Isrealis and have always done so.
The Greater Israel is to be a pure Jewish country.

(Edit spelling error)

Linguini · 20/05/2025 10:15

Did they hurl rockets, rape, kidnap and murder thousands of people? No
They are now though. On Steroids with bigger rockets.

AIBUHere · 20/05/2025 10:19

Linguini · 20/05/2025 10:13

There are a lot of Muslims who live in Israel (because they were born there, what with their family line being there first)
Isreal is busy expelling them too. They are attacking non Jewish Isrealis and have always done so.
The Greater Israel is to be a pure Jewish country.

(Edit spelling error)

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Evidence?

ssd · 20/05/2025 10:23

Comedycook · 20/05/2025 10:11

What did the Jews do in 1930s Germany? Did they hurl rockets, rape, kidnap and murder thousands of people? No. Even if you think what's happening in Gaza is terrible, it's a rubbish comparison.

The jews in the 1930s did absolutely nothing to legitimise what happened to them, same as the thousands and thousands of Palestinians who have been murdered at the hands of Israel.

sualipa · 20/05/2025 10:26

AIBUHere · 20/05/2025 10:02

Assume you agree with the ‘IDF fighters are hero’s and the IDF is ethical’ bit if you’re posting bits of the article for impact.

Golan obviously does not believe that the IDF is committing genocide or targeting innocents, including children.

Rather goes against the consensus on here which is that the IDF are blood thirsty monsters.

I guess desperation to make a point can make people forget what the point of that point is.

There are countless decent Israelis as even Gideon Levy acknowledges, though he believes this generation of politicians is largely lost. So when a highly respected former IDF general states that children are being killed ‘as a hobby,’ it carries real weight. Looking into his history, he appears to be one of the good guys the kind of leader who might have guided Israel toward a nobler path than the one it’s now following. But these voices seem to have been drowned out in the grim logic of Netanhayu's prosecution of this bloody war. I think Hamas actually wanted this outcome and were well prepared for it. You don't build hundreds of kms of tunnels and plan a war for years without stockpiling enormous amounts of weapons and food. They will be fine those who aren't yet killed and fight on whilst the 2 million or so citizens suffer from the pitiless siege of almost medieval cruelty.

quantumbutterfly · 20/05/2025 10:27

Linguini · 20/05/2025 10:13

There are a lot of Muslims who live in Israel (because they were born there, what with their family line being there first)
Isreal is busy expelling them too. They are attacking non Jewish Isrealis and have always done so.
The Greater Israel is to be a pure Jewish country.

(Edit spelling error)

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As a pp said...

The mizrahim would like a word.

Sarah2891 · 20/05/2025 10:27

Should have happened long ago. Absolute evil.

kirinm · 20/05/2025 10:29

AIBUHere · 20/05/2025 10:07

What not more evil that deliberately starting a war to kill as many of your own people as possible and purposefully let them starve (allegedly), after butchering, raping and kidnapping thousands of your neighbours , including babies and children?

Hmm 🤔

How many dead Gazans would be enough? It doesn’t sound like there is a finite number tbh - just as many as possible for as long as possible until they’re either all dead or leave the region?

Whatsinanamehey · 20/05/2025 10:30

ssd · 20/05/2025 10:23

The jews in the 1930s did absolutely nothing to legitimise what happened to them, same as the thousands and thousands of Palestinians who have been murdered at the hands of Israel.

Agreed.

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Whatsinanamehey · 20/05/2025 10:31

I'm reading two possible steps might be taken by the three countries

  1. Sanctions
  2. Recognising a Palestinian state.
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Comedycook · 20/05/2025 10:31

ssd · 20/05/2025 10:23

The jews in the 1930s did absolutely nothing to legitimise what happened to them, same as the thousands and thousands of Palestinians who have been murdered at the hands of Israel.

But you could say this about any war in relation to innocent civilians. Yes civilians in war often suffer....the idea that there wasn't some sort of trigger to start this conflict is ridiculous. It's nothing like 1930s Germany....has Israel with absolutely no provocation at all rounded up Palestinians, stuck them on cattle trucks and murdered them on mass in purpose built buildings?

slamdunk66 · 20/05/2025 10:32

The words are too little too late for the thousands of innocent men, women and children murdered. But they’re just words. We need action to be taken quickly.

Whatsinanamehey · 20/05/2025 10:33

slamdunk66 · 20/05/2025 10:32

The words are too little too late for the thousands of innocent men, women and children murdered. But they’re just words. We need action to be taken quickly.

It's to be seen now if they will follow through as Netanyahu has dismissed their threats.

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ssd · 20/05/2025 10:39

Comedycook · 20/05/2025 10:31

But you could say this about any war in relation to innocent civilians. Yes civilians in war often suffer....the idea that there wasn't some sort of trigger to start this conflict is ridiculous. It's nothing like 1930s Germany....has Israel with absolutely no provocation at all rounded up Palestinians, stuck them on cattle trucks and murdered them on mass in purpose built buildings?

No, but god knows what they would do if allowed.

You might not see the comparisons but plenty do.

What i don't understand is why supporters of Israel aren't furious about how badly Israel is looking on the worlds stage? How Netanyahu s government has turned any respect Israel had upside down and has probably massively increased antisemitism around the world? If i was jewish thats where my anger would be. Terrorists need to be dealt with but not the scale of destruction happening now. This has turned Israel into a pariah state. That didn't need to happen.

Comedycook · 20/05/2025 10:42

You might not see the comparisons but plenty do

Its a lazy, stupid and inaccurate comparison and that's me putting it very politely.

quantumbutterfly · 20/05/2025 10:43

ssd · 20/05/2025 10:39

No, but god knows what they would do if allowed.

You might not see the comparisons but plenty do.

What i don't understand is why supporters of Israel aren't furious about how badly Israel is looking on the worlds stage? How Netanyahu s government has turned any respect Israel had upside down and has probably massively increased antisemitism around the world? If i was jewish thats where my anger would be. Terrorists need to be dealt with but not the scale of destruction happening now. This has turned Israel into a pariah state. That didn't need to happen.

So you're excusing antisemitism - because Israel. Do you also think all muslims are fair game for the actions of islamic countries.

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