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Conflict in the Middle East

The UK, France and Canada threaten Israel

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Whatsinanamehey · 19/05/2025 21:54

"The leaders of Britain, France, and Canada on Monday threatened action against Israel if it does not stop a renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift aid restrictions"

"We have always supported Israel's right to defend Israelis against terrorism. But this escalation is wholly disproportionate," the three Western leaders said in the joint statement, adding that they will not stand by while Netanyahu's government pursues "these egregious actions."

My personal opinion is once again it is too little, too late. However I'm interested to hear opinions on what exactly this threatening action would consist of?

What has caused these governments to issue such a statement now and not before? The blockade of aid has been ongoing for more than two months. Why didn't they say take further action earlier?

Lastly, will this statement have any effect on the Netanyahu extremist government? Or will they brush it off as they usually do? I'm not sure as these are three powerful allies who have so far been quite wishy washy with their condemnation.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/uk-france-canada-threaten-israel-against-gaza-offensive-2025-05-19/

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Whatsinanamehey · 21/05/2025 21:00

So the IDF only eventually allowed one route for the trucks to travel through which the aid agencies said was unsafe? Officials who are familiar with aid distributions in war zones have said from the start that these problems will arise If they only permit limited amount of aid, months after a blockade. Why won't Israel listen?

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Twiglets1 · 21/05/2025 21:04

Aid is ‘finally trickling in’ to Gaza, says UN
Humanitarian aid trucks have finally entered the Gaza Strip, the UN’s World Food Programme said on Wednesday.
“We need more aid trucks coming in daily & urgent, unrestricted access to collect and distribute the food inside Gaza,” the WFP said on X.
“Families are hanging by a thread. We must reach them before it’s too late.”
At least 15 aid trucks entered the Gaza Strip through the Kerem Shalom crossing to WFP warehouses in central Gaza, Reuters reported, citing two sources.
Earlier, UN officials said no food aid has yet been distributed in Gaza, despite Israel’s government saying it had lifted an 11-week blockage on Sunday.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/21/israel-hamas-gaza-war-hezbollah-iran-latest-news/

sualipa · 21/05/2025 21:10

Anti-aid protestors.

Twiglets1 · 21/05/2025 21:26

sualipa · 21/05/2025 21:10

Anti-aid protestors.

That’s something I don’t understand- anti aid protestors.

Whatsinanamehey · 21/05/2025 21:27

sualipa · 21/05/2025 21:10

Anti-aid protestors.

Bunch of crazies, to add some balance this week there was also groups of anti government israelis who marched towards the border to demand that aid is allowed into Gaza.

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Mylegishangingoff · 21/05/2025 21:33

sualipa · 21/05/2025 21:10

Anti-aid protestors.

I don't see the IDF firing 'warning shots' there, I don't see them firing at all. It's strange how once they are in the OPT they can think of nothing else they can possibly do but fire their guns, even when it's a group of foreign diplomats.

Whatsinanamehey · 22/05/2025 10:29

I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record here to ask if any aid has still been distributed? The last I saw was it still hasn't. I will be very happy if that is incorrect and it has.

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Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 10:49

Whatsinanamehey · 22/05/2025 10:29

I'm sorry if I sound like a broken record here to ask if any aid has still been distributed? The last I saw was it still hasn't. I will be very happy if that is incorrect and it has.

Guardian report (updated a few minutes ago)

The United Nations (UN) said on Wednesday it had “dispatched” about 90 trucks carrying aid into Gaza, as international pressure intensified over Israel’s renewed offensive and blockade of the war-ravaged Palestinian territory.

The first aid distribution in Gaza since early March came as Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he was open to a “temporary ceasefire”, but reaffirmed the military aimed to bring the entire territory under its control.

Three days after Israel announced it would allow in limited aid, the UN “collected around 90 truckloads of goods from the Kerem Shalom crossing and dispatched them into Gaza“, said Stéphane Dujarric, spokesperson for UN secretary general António Guterres, according to Agence France-Presse (AFP).

In Gaza, the Hamas government media office reported the arrival of 87 aid trucks, which it said were allocated to international and local organisations to meet “urgent humanitarian needs”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-war-aid-netanyahu-hamas-middle-east-crisis-live-news

Israel-Gaza war: UN dispatches aid as Netanyahu says he wants full control of Gaza – Middle East crisis live

Netanyahu says it is necessary to ‘avoid a humanitarian crisis in order to preserve our freedom of operational action’ in Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/may/22/israel-gaza-war-aid-netanyahu-hamas-middle-east-crisis-live-news

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 12:15

UN agencies in Gaza confirmed on Thursday that desperately needed aid has finally arrived at warehouses inside the enclave after an 11-week blockade by Israeli authorities.

“Today will be crucial. Truckloads of lifesaving aid finally on move again,” said top UN aid relief coordinator Tom Fletcher.

Hours earlier and in a major development, 198 trucks entered Gaza via the Kerem Shalom crossing in the south of the enclave, carrying nutrition supplies, medicines and wheat flour.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/05/1163571

All eyes on Gaza as aid teams retrieve first lifesaving relief in months

UN agencies in Gaza confirmed on Thursday that desperately needed aid has finally arrived at warehouses inside the enclave after an 11-week blockade by Israeli authorities.

https://news.un.org/en/story/2025/05/1163571

Whatsinanamehey · 22/05/2025 12:42

Thank you for the update 👍

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Golden407 · 22/05/2025 12:58

Stripes56 · 20/05/2025 22:05

I had the exact fear @Whatsinanamehey
I had to stop following on SM as the pictures from months ago from Gaza were horrific.
I don’t want to imagine what it is like now, but if UK government is getting detailed surveillance imaging of what is happening in Gaza, this may explain urgency?
The human body can only survive so long with limited food…

The analysts I've watched say various aid agencies and health watchdogs now say around 15,000 babies, under the age of two, will die of starvation/malnutrition over the next two weeks if aid isn't forthcoming.
I think it's just reached a point of no return. Few people want to be on the wrong side of history in that regard.

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 13:00

Golden407 · 22/05/2025 12:58

The analysts I've watched say various aid agencies and health watchdogs now say around 15,000 babies, under the age of two, will die of starvation/malnutrition over the next two weeks if aid isn't forthcoming.
I think it's just reached a point of no return. Few people want to be on the wrong side of history in that regard.

15,000 babies under the age of 2 dying over the next 2 weeks sounds unlikely (sorry). Do you have a link to substantiate that claim?

CloudyPortal · 22/05/2025 13:01

Why can't we go in and start evacuating to nearby countries (there are countries easily wealthy enough to manage schemes like the Ukraine women and childrens schemes in Europe)
Surely Israel wouldn't risk targeting foreign military, and if we went in with a clear message that we're there to move women and children there shouldn't be too much aggression from hamas or the Israeli army as they'd be worried about the repercussions of attacking multiple countries.

Golden407 · 22/05/2025 13:09

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 13:00

15,000 babies under the age of 2 dying over the next 2 weeks sounds unlikely (sorry). Do you have a link to substantiate that claim?

of course, this is guardian article, not where I got the information originally, that was a podcast by Alistair Crooke, very good I can link it if you like?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/20/first-thing-un-says-14000-babies-could-die-in-gaza-in-next-48-hours-under-israeli-aid-blockade

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 14:03

This is him saying that 14,000 babies could die in 48 hours and has been debunked.

Will provide the link later but I’m out at the moment.

ssd · 22/05/2025 14:30

Its getting a bit ghoulish now debating how many babies will die. No one knows anything for sure, except there are far too many starving children in gaza for any decent person to accept.

Golden407 · 22/05/2025 14:59

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 14:03

This is him saying that 14,000 babies could die in 48 hours and has been debunked.

Will provide the link later but I’m out at the moment.

There is some debate about time spans. I would agree with the previous poster though. It’s uncomfortable suggesting there are acceptable levels when it comes to deliberately starving children.

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 15:02

@Golden407 A widely reported claim that 14,000 babies in Gaza could die within 48 hours has been corrected by the UN, which says the figure refers to potential deaths over the next year.

The statement, aired on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme and repeated across national media and in Parliament, was later clarified by the BBC as a misrepresentation of a humanitarian report projecting malnutrition cases in children aged six month to five years over a 12-month period.

The UN's humanitarian chief Tom Fletcher claimed on Monday morning that thousands of babies could die in Gaza in the subsequent two days if Israel did not immediately let aid in, apparently based on a report by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) Partnership.

However, a look at the IPC report reveals that the figure refers to the number of children at risk of “severe malnutrition” by March next year, rather than by the end of the week. The number is a projection and would not take into account any increase in the supply of aid between now and then.

www.thejc.com/news/uk/un-correct-claim-14-000-children-48-hours-debunked-fykhurn9

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 15:08

Golden407 · 22/05/2025 14:59

There is some debate about time spans. I would agree with the previous poster though. It’s uncomfortable suggesting there are acceptable levels when it comes to deliberately starving children.

Saying 14,000 babies will die within 48 hours (or 15,000 within 2 weeks as you said above ) is very different to 14,000 babies & young children being at risk of severe malnutrition over the next year not taking into account any increase in the supply of aid between now and then.

The UN have corrected the original statement and so have the BBC.

Facts matter.

Golden407 · 22/05/2025 15:18

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 15:08

Saying 14,000 babies will die within 48 hours (or 15,000 within 2 weeks as you said above ) is very different to 14,000 babies & young children being at risk of severe malnutrition over the next year not taking into account any increase in the supply of aid between now and then.

The UN have corrected the original statement and so have the BBC.

Facts matter.

Well it was the Guardian amongst others who said it not myself. It’s very difficult to put a time frame on these things and I don’t believe the time frame affects the morality of the situation. If Children are going to starve to death later rather sooner does that mean it’s ok?

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 15:23

Golden407 · 22/05/2025 15:18

Well it was the Guardian amongst others who said it not myself. It’s very difficult to put a time frame on these things and I don’t believe the time frame affects the morality of the situation. If Children are going to starve to death later rather sooner does that mean it’s ok?

I appreciate it was posted in the Guardian but I am just pointing out that it was wrong and the UN themselves have corrected their previous statement.

Obviously I don't think it would be ok for any children to starve to death. But thank God humanitarian aid is now being allowed into Gaza so I hope enough gets in over the next few days/weeks/months to prevent children dying of starvation.

Mylegishangingoff · 22/05/2025 15:32

ssd · 22/05/2025 14:30

Its getting a bit ghoulish now debating how many babies will die. No one knows anything for sure, except there are far too many starving children in gaza for any decent person to accept.

Absolutely this. How many people is it acceptable to have die of fully preventable purposeful starvation before we do something? 26 people have died in Gaza in 24hrs of starvation, malnutrition, and lack of medical treatment according to relief web yesterday. Elderly people, children and the chronically ill. The following is from their report.

These deaths are the result of a deliberate Israeli policy that weaponises hunger and denial of treatment to kill Palestinian civilians. The tightened blockade, in place since 2 March, disproportionately targets the most vulnerable and turns the man-made humanitarian catastrophe into a central tool of extermination.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/sharp-rise-deaths-just-24-hours-26-palestinians-gaza-have-died-due-starvation-lack-medical-care-enar

This isn't some act of God, this isn't a terrible thing thats just happening, this is the Israeli government 'cleansing' Gaza. Conquer, cleanse and stay.

Israel are exterminating Palestinians by purposefully denying them the basics we all need to live. 1 child or 14000 children going through a long drawn out fully preventable death by starvation it shouldn't matter and it wouldn't matter if it were your child dying in your arms.

Sharp rise in deaths: In just 24 hours, 26 Palestinians in Gaza have died due to starvation, lack of medical care [EN/AR] - occupied Palestinian territory

News and Press Release in Arabic on occupied Palestinian territory about Food and Nutrition, Health and more; published on 21 May 2025 by Euro-Med Monitor

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/sharp-rise-deaths-just-24-hours-26-palestinians-gaza-have-died-due-starvation-lack-medical-care-enar

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 15:43

Mylegishangingoff · 22/05/2025 15:32

Absolutely this. How many people is it acceptable to have die of fully preventable purposeful starvation before we do something? 26 people have died in Gaza in 24hrs of starvation, malnutrition, and lack of medical treatment according to relief web yesterday. Elderly people, children and the chronically ill. The following is from their report.

These deaths are the result of a deliberate Israeli policy that weaponises hunger and denial of treatment to kill Palestinian civilians. The tightened blockade, in place since 2 March, disproportionately targets the most vulnerable and turns the man-made humanitarian catastrophe into a central tool of extermination.

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/sharp-rise-deaths-just-24-hours-26-palestinians-gaza-have-died-due-starvation-lack-medical-care-enar

This isn't some act of God, this isn't a terrible thing thats just happening, this is the Israeli government 'cleansing' Gaza. Conquer, cleanse and stay.

Israel are exterminating Palestinians by purposefully denying them the basics we all need to live. 1 child or 14000 children going through a long drawn out fully preventable death by starvation it shouldn't matter and it wouldn't matter if it were your child dying in your arms.

Really, it "shouldn't matter" if it's one child dying of starvation or 14,000...

Why do you bother even mentioning how many people are dying in Gaza if numbers don't matter.

Facts matter.

Mylegishangingoff · 22/05/2025 16:12

Twiglets1 · 22/05/2025 15:43

Really, it "shouldn't matter" if it's one child dying of starvation or 14,000...

Why do you bother even mentioning how many people are dying in Gaza if numbers don't matter.

Facts matter.

I disagree when it comes to people having basics like food, water and medicine. Any fool can tell you if you destroy all of people's crops, shoot them when they try and fish, destroy their medical facilities and then prevent any food or medicine entering for 3 months many, many people will be in dire need. I don't need the numbers of dead to know that hundreds of thousands of people are suffering needlessly to fulfill some ethnic cleansing fantasy of an occupying government.

BelleHathor · 22/05/2025 16:23

Thank you, well stated, especially: I don't need the numbers of dead to know that hundreds of thousands of people are suffering needlessly to fulfill some ethnic cleansing fantasy of an occupying government.