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Denied pain relief in labour and now frightened about another birth

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Helpmefiguireitallout · Yesterday 09:18

Thank you for reading, this is going to be a long post. My little girl is now 2 months old. I started losing my mucous plug and had water dripping out at 41 weeks around 5pm on the Friday. I phoned the birth centre and a lovely midwife told me to come in. I came in and she then said she examined me, told me my cervix was closed completely and to go home and call when things change. Well, I ended up getting my first contraction at home and from then on it was absolute agony. I was so shocked because the pain went from 0-100, around 3 in 10 minutes. I rang back and she told me to come back again. The car journey was awful.

She had to examine me again, this was absolutely awful as I was in so much pain but she was really calming and a total pro at examining so it wasn’t as bad as it could have been I suppose. So then here is where the problems started… she finished her night shift and had to go, but before she did, she examined me again and I was 1cm. I was then left with the most uncaring Midwife and students I have ever encountered.

I worked in a maternity ward for 7 years up until a couple of years ago, I still work in the NHS but in a clinic now. I am well aware of the good and bad, as well as what is usually offered to labouring women, I worked in a London Hospital, so it was busy busy busy. I also started training to become a Midwife myself but stopped for various reasons. I know how some Midwives can be as I witnessed it myself over the years, and I just hoped that I would be lucky and would get a nice team looking after me. Well that didn’t happen at all.

I was in a small birth centre room at this point screaming my head off in pain with every contraction and shaking uncontrollably. The Midwife gave me a shot of pethadine, which really seemed to help, although it didn’t take the pain away fully it stopped the shaking and made me really sleepy. They couldn’t examine me again for many hours which is fair enough to reduce the risk of infection but it would have been nice to know if I was any further along. Anyway they did examine me again eventually and was still 1cm, pain was obviously bad I was crying, was offered 2 x more pethadine that did nothing these 2 times but it did stop the shaking.

I was begging for an epidural but was told no repeatedly. The reason was because I wasn’t 4 cm yet, and in order to get an epidural it needs to be done in labour ward, but I am not allowed in labour ward until at least 4cm. I asked for gas and air, they said no repeatedly for the same reasons above. All they kept saying was to eat a sandwich, reapeatedly, I have never wanted to scream so badly in my life because they weren’t listening to me. I was telling them I can’t eat or drink… well I was trying to drink but eating was out of the question. I explained that I would throw up everywhere but they wouldn’t stop going on, they even got my Husband involved trying to convince me. I was crying telling them I don’t need a sandwich I need pain relief over and over again but they still wouldn’t accept me not eating until they brought me some toast which I physically couldn’t eat. They were actually laughing at me, saying what do you want me to do? WHAT I WANT IS PAIN RELIEF!

I was screaming in pain when the cherry on the cake arrived… they were going to move me to the shared antenatal ward. They did move me, still no gas and air allowed, I was screaming so loud with every contraction every few minutes. The other patients and partners were laughing and sniggering, also tutting. I am sure the other women were terrified that they had this level of pain to come too so they were probably laughing to distract themselves. I begged for pain relief and to be moved. They refused, still no gas and air allowed.

I know that on my ward women were given entonox on the antenatal ward, and it was no issue at all. They were also hurried through to labour ward for a private room if they were screaming the ward down and scaring other women. This went on for the whole night until around 8am when the first lovely Midwife came back on shift and came to see what all the screaming was about. She was asking the staff member why I was left in this state with no Entonox and not getting me over to labour ward? The staff member was arguing with her, she said I am the Midwife in charge go and get some entonox. Not even 2 minutes later I had Entonox… when they had lied to me earlier saying they don’t keep it on the antenatal ward it’s only on the labour ward they aren’t allowed to use it here. While having Entonox she examined me again and I was 4 cm. Finally!!! Moved to Labour ward. She was an actual angel… I feel like she saved me.

I took the gas with me not letting it out of my mouth and I was in heaven, the pain was like waves of a feeling but no pain at all. Why had they denied me this for so long? Anyway, straight to Labour ward where a lovely anaesthetist gave me an epidural. It was amazing! I had to press a button every 30 mins but before I was allowed I had to ask the Midwife to take my blood pressure before topping up. They broke my waters and they were full of meconium, I then started getting a really high temperature.

This is when the problems started again… her and her student went on their break at the same time and by the time they got back the epidural had stopped working. They didn’t believe me… and kept telling me to press the button which I was but it wasn’t doing anything, turns out it was empty. I was finally allowed a top up and the anaesthetist arrived to fit another supply. She must have accidentally done something wrong as from then on it was all agony and screaming again, the Midwife and student didn’t believe me until finally the anaesthetist came back again and tried to figure out why it had stopped working.

At this point the shaking started uncontrollably again. I asked for gas & air while we waited for her to return as she was busy and had to leave. I was in my element with the gas and air and they kept trying to take it off me as I was using it too much. It got to around 2pm and doctors came in to review me as I was now 7cm but had been 7cm for far too long with no progression. They decided to do an emergency c section. My epidural was topped up in theatre and actually worked this time.

I was shaking so hard they had to strap me down. My little girl was born and had an infection, had breathed in her meconium so was struggling to breathe and was taken to NICU. She had breathing tube, feeding tube and cannulas. The treatment postnatally was an absolute shit show and my baby wasn’t with me I had just got to give her a kiss on the operating table when she was whisked away. They put me in a postnatal ward with everyone else’s babies. I asked them if they thought this was appropriate considering my baby was in NICU and I was still numb… couldn’t meet her properly yet. The Midwife responded by saying what is the problem with being around other babies??? We can’t give you a private room! I persisted that it was not nice and they moved us to a private room.

We were both on antibiotics and eventually she came down to join me in a shared NICU/Postnatal ward. We were then both moved back to the postnatal ward which was hell. Purely because of the noise, other families are so so inconsiderate and loud. We had people moving furniture around and throwing suitcases around at 2am. The woman next to me had a drug problem and social services were taking her baby away. We got to hear her whole life story from the other side of the curtain. It was awful… she was kicking off constantly and then crying constantly, part of me felt sorry for her. It was a lot to deal with, we all complained but they wouldn’t give her a private room so we all had to listen to her on the phone constantly to social workers about her court case the next day and her baby being removed.

We were finally discharged after a total of 5 days. I don’t know if I can go through this again but eventually I want to give my daughter a sibling. I am terrified of being left in pain again until 4cm, what if the same happens again? Personally I think as soon as they broke my waters and saw the meconium and my high temp and high blood pressure, they should have took me for a c section straight away. I sit here and think sometimes how long was my little girl struggling for in there… thank god they got her out when they did. Why did they hang around though? It was hours and hours since they broke my waters.

I am obviously going to ask for a planned c section next time, if there is a next time. I have lost all trust in that hospital and all medical staff. I feel like a couple of them enjoyed watching me suffer. All I needed was the gas & air and I was coping really well but they denied me this for 13 hours, only when that angel Midwife came on shift and got me some was I able to cope. Has anyone ever experienced similar and what did you do for your next babies?

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Blueberrymuffinsforthewin · Yesterday 09:29

Bless you sounds like you went through hell. I had a similar traumatic first birth which ended in an emergency c-section. Waited a number of years before I felt brave enough to try for my second. Went to every appt prepared to argue why I wanted a planned c section and they were thankfully on the same page due to my previous experience.

My planned section was amazing and healed so much trauma I'd carried from my first terrible birth experience.

Also your baby is only. 2 months old, at this time I was still very much in the trauma phase. Time and talking is healing. Good luck and enjoy your little baby.

Helpmefiguireitallout · Yesterday 09:56

Blueberrymuffinsforthewin · Yesterday 09:29

Bless you sounds like you went through hell. I had a similar traumatic first birth which ended in an emergency c-section. Waited a number of years before I felt brave enough to try for my second. Went to every appt prepared to argue why I wanted a planned c section and they were thankfully on the same page due to my previous experience.

My planned section was amazing and healed so much trauma I'd carried from my first terrible birth experience.

Also your baby is only. 2 months old, at this time I was still very much in the trauma phase. Time and talking is healing. Good luck and enjoy your little baby.

In your head were you afraid they would somehow not give you the c section? Or that the baby would come before the c section date? My main issue was the gaslighting and the stubbornness, and lies. I could barely even speak… to argue with them. I physically felt like I was dying from pain. I am so terrified I will somehow get out in this situation again no matter what we have agreed prior. It is all down to who you get on the day… luck of the draw if you get a caring professional or not.

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Helpmefiguireitallout · Yesterday 09:56

I genuinely want to find out the name of the second Midwife and Student and make a massive complaint about their disgusting attitude towards me. I genuinely am so angry that I couldn’t stand up for myself in the moment and couldn’t fight my corner. Even just to confront them about their bad attitude. Now I am fully better I wish I could go up to the hospital and find that Midwife and give her a piece of my mind. I was so vulnerable and a terrified first time Mum who previously thought she had a high pain threshold. I couldn’t talk hardly, couldn’t stand up for myself and my poor Husband tried but they weren’t listening to him either.

I genuinely think she was evil and enjoyed watching me suffer. I want to somehow thank the one caring person I encountered but I don’t know what to send her, maybe a nice card and chocolates? The anaesthetic Doctor was so lovely she stayed by my side the whole operation comforting me and answering my questions as I could hear so much suctioning and I thought I was bleeding to death, no one was telling me anything. I asked if everything was okay and she reassured me.

No one else even hardly spoke to me in theatre, obviously they were busy operating on me. The main bulk of the surgery after she was out was the suctioning, it was all over really quickly actually but I genuinely thought I was having a pph or something. Surely there should have been someone there to look after me? Not the anaesthetist? Thank god she was by my side as my Husband was over with the baby and I had no idea why they were just suctioning for so long and not speaking to me. All of it was fine but as a first time Mum we have no idea.

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Branleuse · Yesterday 10:01

I hope you can find out who it was. I definitely think you should make a complaint.

SockQueen · Yesterday 10:09

Helpmefiguireitallout · Yesterday 09:56

I genuinely want to find out the name of the second Midwife and Student and make a massive complaint about their disgusting attitude towards me. I genuinely am so angry that I couldn’t stand up for myself in the moment and couldn’t fight my corner. Even just to confront them about their bad attitude. Now I am fully better I wish I could go up to the hospital and find that Midwife and give her a piece of my mind. I was so vulnerable and a terrified first time Mum who previously thought she had a high pain threshold. I couldn’t talk hardly, couldn’t stand up for myself and my poor Husband tried but they weren’t listening to him either.

I genuinely think she was evil and enjoyed watching me suffer. I want to somehow thank the one caring person I encountered but I don’t know what to send her, maybe a nice card and chocolates? The anaesthetic Doctor was so lovely she stayed by my side the whole operation comforting me and answering my questions as I could hear so much suctioning and I thought I was bleeding to death, no one was telling me anything. I asked if everything was okay and she reassured me.

No one else even hardly spoke to me in theatre, obviously they were busy operating on me. The main bulk of the surgery after she was out was the suctioning, it was all over really quickly actually but I genuinely thought I was having a pph or something. Surely there should have been someone there to look after me? Not the anaesthetist? Thank god she was by my side as my Husband was over with the baby and I had no idea why they were just suctioning for so long and not speaking to me. All of it was fine but as a first time Mum we have no idea.

Obstetric anaesthetist - it absolutely is our job to look after you during the operation! The midwives have to split themselves between you, the baby (who it sounds like needed lots of help at that point), and frankly a crapload of paperwork all at the same time. The anaesthetist has just you as their priority - our role doesn't end once the spinal/epidural is in! They will also have been keeping a close eye on the blood loss and you would know if they were concerned. The suction can sound a bit dramatic but remember there's often a lot of your waters that needs sucking up as well as blood, and the sound you hear isn't really a good indication of how much is being collected.

I'm really sorry you had such a long and difficult labour. You are well within your rights to complain about specific aspects. Equally, if you want to send a card or chocs to the midwives who helped you, it's always really appreciated - usually you can just drop them off on the labour ward.

Don't stress out about what might happen next time right now - look after yourself and your baby.

Stegosaur · Yesterday 10:22

I think some of it sounds standard and some of it unreasonable. Eg denying you entonox at 1cm/insisting on breaks during a long labour may have been reasonable because there is a maximum amount of hours you can safely breathe it for, and you wouldn't want to have to stop using it at 8cm. But if that was their reason they should have explained this. As usual listening and communication is probably the main issue.

Next time obviously a planned section would work. If you don't want that, bear in mind you will probably dilate much quicker next time and avoid a lot of that early pain.

In the meantime ask for a birth debrief if you think that would help you.

Floppyearedlab · Yesterday 10:24

It sounds awful, but it’s over now. Get some counseling to come to terms with it and focus on the child you have. You don’t have to go through that again unless you choose to.

vipersnest1 · Yesterday 10:33

Ask for a birth debrief, OP

Branleuse · Yesterday 10:46

There is absolutely no excuse for how you were treated while you were in such pain

somanychristmaslights · Yesterday 10:48

vipersnest1 · Yesterday 10:33

Ask for a birth debrief, OP

Yes was going to suggest the same. I had one (although can’t remember much of the detail now) but it did help.

PermanentTemporary · Yesterday 10:54

There used to be jokes about how women wouldn’t stop talking about their ‘operations’, well it’s not bloody surprising is it. What a horrible experience.

Try writing it all down? Handwriting, it’s a different mental process from typing. And for sure, make that complaint. And have a birth debrief.

Youre only 8 weeks post birth. Don’t think now about whether or not to have another. Just recover 💐

Beachbeach · Yesterday 10:54

Quite a lot of this does sound completely normal. As someone who’s had 3 babies I can relate to a lot of the pain feeling like 0-100. But in all honesty the bits where you talk about the pain and you’re only 1cm and then you get pethadine and you’re annoyed you can’t have an epidural well that’s just the requirements. You do need to be 4cm to be on labour ward and you do need to be on labour ward to get the epidural. You do sound like you’re going into a lot of detail about pain and shaking. I think a lot of women’s births are quite painful. It’s normal and part of how it is.

also write in capitals about no pain relief but pethadine is a form of pain relief.

my middle birth was similar to yours, I was on birth centre and then wanted epidural. I went to labour ward and baby distressed, meconium aspirant and NICU. It’s stressful I agree. I think time will be a real healer for you. Also hearing other birth stories - it’s not realistic that most are water births no pain etc. it’s a tough journey giving birth.

go to a birth debrief to help soothe your mind. I think in 6 months time you won’t feel as angry, upset, stressed about this

ProudCat · Yesterday 10:55

Sometimes understanding why certain things happened the way they did is helpful in coming to terms with how the experience affected / affects you.

I still carry the trauma from my son's birth over 30 years ago. My husband had to advocate for me so hard that he was threatened with arrest but once the blue and completely non responsive baby was out, staff realised that there had been a cock up. I received a formal apology from the director of midwifery, as was then, and also the opportunity to talk things through ...

One of the most important things I had access to was post natal treatment for trauma. I really did need that because in quiet moments my fear would turn to anger and I'd just keep going over and over it in my head. I was on a short course of medication and had enhanced HV care.

So sorry this happened to you.

Beachbeach · Yesterday 11:00

Helpmefiguireitallout · Yesterday 09:56

I genuinely want to find out the name of the second Midwife and Student and make a massive complaint about their disgusting attitude towards me. I genuinely am so angry that I couldn’t stand up for myself in the moment and couldn’t fight my corner. Even just to confront them about their bad attitude. Now I am fully better I wish I could go up to the hospital and find that Midwife and give her a piece of my mind. I was so vulnerable and a terrified first time Mum who previously thought she had a high pain threshold. I couldn’t talk hardly, couldn’t stand up for myself and my poor Husband tried but they weren’t listening to him either.

I genuinely think she was evil and enjoyed watching me suffer. I want to somehow thank the one caring person I encountered but I don’t know what to send her, maybe a nice card and chocolates? The anaesthetic Doctor was so lovely she stayed by my side the whole operation comforting me and answering my questions as I could hear so much suctioning and I thought I was bleeding to death, no one was telling me anything. I asked if everything was okay and she reassured me.

No one else even hardly spoke to me in theatre, obviously they were busy operating on me. The main bulk of the surgery after she was out was the suctioning, it was all over really quickly actually but I genuinely thought I was having a pph or something. Surely there should have been someone there to look after me? Not the anaesthetist? Thank god she was by my side as my Husband was over with the baby and I had no idea why they were just suctioning for so long and not speaking to me. All of it was fine but as a first time Mum we have no idea.

I think a lot of this is about how you were shocked about how painful it was. There is a bit of a grey area where people won’t want to scare pregnant people that Labour can be quite painful on the body.

i think you mainly sound angry at how painful it was and how it couldn’t be instantly taken away. And you thought you had a high pain threshold. It sounds like shock at the whole experience and you want to have an outlet for this.
It would have been nice if the midwives in the appointments had talked you through the birth, labour stages and pain options and managed your expectations a bit more. You say you weren’t able to talk because the pain was so bad. Yes that definitely happens with contractions. It’s very hard to hold a conversation in the later stages of labour or even in the earlier stages of the contractions are strong

W0tnow · Yesterday 11:06

I would 💯 go for an elective c-section next time. Congratulations on your baby and I hope you are recovering from what sounds like an awful experience.

Squidgemoon · Yesterday 11:13

I had a fairly traumatic birth with my DS, and a similar experience in some ways in that I arrived to a full unit in huge amounts of pain and they told me there was no space for me but I was only 2cm and I should go home or perhaps go and sit in the cafeteria for a bit. I could barely move or speak and basically refused to move from the examination room. Eventually they said they would see if another woman in early labour would agree to go and found me a room, I was completely out of it like a wild animal, I’d had no pain relief at all at this point other than 2 paracetamol. Finally a lovely midwife came in and said you look like you’re working very hard, why don’t I just examine you again … and I’d gone from 2cm to 9cm in half an hour, so they had to move me again straight to a delivery room 🙄🙄 the gas lighting from the first lot of midwives telling me to go to the bloody cafeteria!

Anyway, the trauma didn’t end there and I swore I was never going through that again and DS would be an only, but to reassure you, by the time DS had got to around 2, 2.5, everything had faded and I felt happy to try for another child, it didn’t work out and he remained an only but not because of that. So time is a healer and definitely ask for a CS next time.

Maisymouse2 · Yesterday 11:43

This sounds like prue hell experience Op.
How dare she
It must be on the birthing notes her name?
I would imagine she shpuld be accountable.
My experiences with my last was my birth plan..my choices of pain relief and a decent midwife should be following your wishes.
What a complete horrific experience.
This sort of treatment causes some unhappy new mothers.
Get on to a compliant.
I hope you are ok now.
I have had 3 birth...2 brilliant with easy going midwives, loved my english midwife..2nd was a nightmare and full of it who did simliar with the pain relief & referred to my baby by other names...i am sure to cause upset.
Last baby i was able to decide on the pain threshold..it was like a warm nice experience in comparsion to that horrid witch.

DinnerinfrontoftheTV · Yesterday 11:53

The shaking sounds like going into shock from the pain. I am so sorry you had such a dreadful experience. Everyone has a different body and a different experience.

I think I might want another woman with me next time. Like my mother. I had my husband with me. He was sympathetic but had no idea what was going on and was just along for the ride. It was a spectator experience for him.

If my daughters were giving birth and I was there, I would be better able to advocate for them and to encourage them. After all, I love them fiercely and I know what it is first hand to give birth.

GinaandGin · Yesterday 11:58

Floppyearedlab · Yesterday 10:24

It sounds awful, but it’s over now. Get some counseling to come to terms with it and focus on the child you have. You don’t have to go through that again unless you choose to.

Why is it when women have bad birthing experiences, they are dismissed?
It's so bloody patronising
The .. "Oh well, it's over now... stop complaining and enjoy your baby."
No wonder poor cultures in maternity units thrive with that attitude.
Look at the Ockendon report
Shropshire/morecambe bay, etc

It's funny how no other trauma is dismissed
You would think someone was very callous for saying
"Yes. I know you had a very bad car accident and were in hospital, but you need to start driving again ..."

GinaandGin · Yesterday 12:02

Beachbeach · Yesterday 11:00

I think a lot of this is about how you were shocked about how painful it was. There is a bit of a grey area where people won’t want to scare pregnant people that Labour can be quite painful on the body.

i think you mainly sound angry at how painful it was and how it couldn’t be instantly taken away. And you thought you had a high pain threshold. It sounds like shock at the whole experience and you want to have an outlet for this.
It would have been nice if the midwives in the appointments had talked you through the birth, labour stages and pain options and managed your expectations a bit more. You say you weren’t able to talk because the pain was so bad. Yes that definitely happens with contractions. It’s very hard to hold a conversation in the later stages of labour or even in the earlier stages of the contractions are strong

Which is why she should have gotten pain relief
Why be cruel and hold it

Fireflicking · Yesterday 12:08

Gosh, that sounds awful :( sorry you went through this, to be honest if a woman was in that much pain at 1cm there clearly is something going wrong in the labour. I think maternity unit policies need to change to be more individualised, most women won’t need full on labour ward care at 1cm but it should be there for the minority who do

AWomanOfWealthAndTaste · Yesterday 12:17

I experienced denial of pain relief and forcibly inadequately medicated labour. Midwives fault. The anaesthetist rocked up when I was 10cm and made extremely clear that he'd only been asked to come a few minutes earlier. Reader, I had asked for an epidural a long time before that.

I complained, notes review and PALS and all that, got anaesthetic reviews during pregnancy and a big sign on my notes saying FOR EARLY EPIDURAL and then ended up with an EMCS anyway for a completely unrelated issue.

Floppyearedlab · Yesterday 12:23

GinaandGin · Yesterday 11:58

Why is it when women have bad birthing experiences, they are dismissed?
It's so bloody patronising
The .. "Oh well, it's over now... stop complaining and enjoy your baby."
No wonder poor cultures in maternity units thrive with that attitude.
Look at the Ockendon report
Shropshire/morecambe bay, etc

It's funny how no other trauma is dismissed
You would think someone was very callous for saying
"Yes. I know you had a very bad car accident and were in hospital, but you need to start driving again ..."

Edited

Getting counseling and processing the experience are the polar opposite of dismissing someone.
Trained counselors will have experience in medical trauma and can help.
The trauma is there, of course but the danger HAS passed. There is no reason for the experience to repeat itself unless by choice.

Highfivemum · Yesterday 12:26

Sounds awful and it is still very raw as very recent. I too had an awful first birth. I tried to block it out afterwards but trust me that’s doesnt work. Talk to pals at the hospital. They have counselling available and they will also sit and discuss your birth with the relevant people involved. For the moment though enjoy your little girl. X