What do we REALLY think about the weight loss jabs?

[Newbabynewhouse]

I've put this on AIBU rather than weight loss jab because I want a neutral audience rather than people who are all using the jab.
What are peoples thoughts on the jab? I'd love to hear from someone educated in the medical field about whether these are actually safe for people without diabetes.
I'm obese and I have lost a stone so far by dieting although it's taking me a long time! I know if I keep trying hard I can lose what I need to. Lots of people I know have started dropping weight from using the jabs and I am tempted however, can't shake a feeling that there's something not quite right.
What I mean by this is... these jabs have been around for years for diabetic people, so why have they only just been 'released' to people despite obesity effecting the NHS for years?
I know a woman who fainted in work the other day with gallbladder issues, she's on the jab.
Also, I'm going to sound a little conspiracy theorist now, but, isn't it odd these jabs became popular straight after people starting refusing to have more covid jabs..?.. I'd love to hear from people with a bit of background info or medical professionals to tell me whether I'm overthinking or if I'm onto something?

Apologies, I think perhaps I misunderstood @mulberrymilk that you were suggesting that the gov.uk drug update link indicated that they were saying there was now an increased risk of pancreatitis compared to the levels previously thought to be associated with GLP1s.

Did you even read that? I thought you were interested in facts, you just shot down your whole position.

Yes, I work with about 5 of them.

While it doesn't draw any direct link to the weight loss medication, Roy believes the drugs contributed to his wife's death.

I’m guessing Roy’s medical knowledge is zero, but his want for compensation is high!

You’re scraping the barrel on this one! Death certificate incorrect but Roy Webster knows best!

What are you talking about. The poster wanted me to demonstrate someone who had died after using GLP1s, when wanting to lose weight before a wedding. The end.

I don't have a postition. HTH.

But if it makes you feel happy, there have been no deaths associated with GLP1s used by either diabetics or for weight loss, and there have not been 100s of thousands of reports of adverse effects in the UK alone. There, enjoy your delusions. Most sane people prefer to be well informed on any adverse long term effects of any drug they might be on. YMM clearly varies.

Nurse's death linked to weight-loss drug Mounjaro approved on NHS

She definitely didn't die, either.

Its a contributing factor not the cause. Much like covid. I had pancreatitis and gallbladder removal after losing weight with slimming world in my late 20s.
Are you being deliberately obtuse I dont understand the utter nonsense you are posting

Nope, she also didn’t die due to the drugs, she was very unwell in the first place. The drug didn’t directly cause her death, sadly she would have died anyway, they are listed as a contributing factor, but she would have died sadly anyway,

honestly just stop you’re embarassing yourself now and coming across as desperate..

Then post one, stop posting women who died whilst on the drugs but not directly due to the drugs. If you can’t find one, which clearly you can’t then don’t post anything it’s better than looking foolish,

Her family maybe on here, stop now. Just stop.

There has been no deaths globally directly caused by the drugs, the stats are available on line. Of course people have died whilst on the drugs, of common causes , they don’t make you immortal.

I may be being obtuse here, but surely someone passing away with GLP listed as even a contributing factor after two doses is a concern?

We’re not talking years of use. We’re talking what, 10mg of the stuff maybe?

The fact it was even listed as contributing is obviously worrying, as far as I’m concerned. That there was a genuine view that after 2 doses it contributed to her death, whether it was the listed cause or not?

I’d assume otherwise it wouldn’t be on there, certainly after just two.

Are you as bothered by the 2000 deaths a year due to painkillers? And not because of overdosing either. They can have rare but severe side effects.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/mar/15/futureofthenhs.health

Better be sure and not take any antibiotics ever either.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-65918362

Are you always so melodramatic? The Yellow card scheme shows a suspected link, it is not definitive proof of anything.

millions and millions take GLPs. A small % may suffer sides, just like and other medication.

Keep linking articles you’ve misinterpreted though.

Correlation does not equal causation. Learn the difference.

I have also been seriously ill with my gallbladder on Mounjaro. I accept I probably had gallstones before (now I know what the pain feels like I don't think it's the first time I've had it). However, Mounjaro definitely exacerbates gallbladder problems. After being told emphatically not to use Mounjaro until I had my gallbladder removed (but also emphatically to lose as much weight as possible before my surgery!) I did try going back on it and it absolutely made my symptoms worse. The consultant I saw told me that there is a huge uptick in gallbladder issues and the theory amongst clinicians is that it's related to GLP 1.

However I bloody love Mounjaro for so many reasons and I'll be right back on it if the NHS ever gets around to removing my gallbladder! I think it can be both truly miraculous and not without its problems.

of course she isn’t, unless they’re fat of course.

Honestly I’m so much better off without gallbladder. I hope you get a date soon. Mine took about 9 months I think! Good Luck

From my understanding a contributing factor doesn’t really mean much. They will note all health conditions a person has as a contributing factor (I think)

A contributing factor is not responsible for a persons death.

“Part II (Contributing Factors): Lists other important, pre-existing diseases or conditions the person had (such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or chronic asthma) that made the body weaker or made the fatal illness harder to fight, even though they did not directly start the final sequence.”

Indeed. People die whilst taking paracetamol or the contraceptive pill - doesn’t mean it’s the cause of death.

Again - exactly. One’s age or sex can be a contributing factor as to why they have died, but they don’t die because of of their age or sex…

Haven't rtft yet but I couldn't give a fuck about side effects unless I feel them immediately. Nothing could be worse than eating too much crap and dragging excess weight around. If there is a percentage chance of earlier death then I'm happy to take that too. At least I'll be buried in a regular coffin. If it knocks 20 years off my life I don't care either ill have lived a bigger fuller life and the shorter time on this earth is well worth that. These drugs can reverse a lifetime of physical problems and more importantly, transform MH. The side effects would have have to be highly dangerous and very common for me to consider ever giving up.

No it means little, it just means she was on the meds basically. And they won’t have helped. My own doctor told me about that nurse, she was very unwell and the drugs were irrelevant, she would have died anyway.

what happened was her family linked them, and went to the media and it went viral , it was listed as a contributing factor, as the cost and time to do a huge investigation to prove it wasn’t the drugs was not seen as necessary as the medical staff knew why she died and the cause of death was clearly listed. She had acute pancreatitis, which was not as she’d taken a second low level injection of mounjaro

acute pancreatitis is quite common, about 50 people in every 100k, it’s not a new thing or anything.

The gov info says:

Part 2
You should also enter any other diseases, injuries, conditions or events that contributed to the death, but were not part of the direct sequence, in part 2 of the MCCD. The conditions mentioned in part 2 must be known or suspected to have contributed to the death, not merely be other conditions which were present at the time.

I would say that 2 doses of WLI being either known or suspected to have contributed to death, rather than just that they were known to have been taken, is a concern.

As said, it won’t have helped, but the didn’t cause hee death and she would have died anyway, taking the meds whilst suffering pancreatitis isn’t a good idea.

But again, if it worries you, it doesn’t need to, no one will ask you to take the meds. Personally I’m good with it and don’t see a risk and fully understand it, as does my gp. But you feel different that’s ok.