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To think that Labour’s/Andy Burnham’s tariffs on Jewish Settlers and their statement on Palestine is a well timed publicity stunt to divert attention from their complete lack of inaction regarding illegal migrants arriving by boat.

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bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 06:50

I don’t meant to be cynical but I think Labour have done this to carry favour with those who want to ditch Labour for the Green Party. We all know Labour isn’t run by its leader, instead by their back benchers!

What the Settlers are doing on the West Bank is horrific, however Labour were not being so vocal a few weeks ago when the rest of the world was. It feels a ‘well-timed’ publicity stunt to take away attention from their complete inaction about the amount of illegal immigrants arriving in this country. I was appalled by the protests over the weekend. And as a woman with a daughter, these thugs do not protest in my name. However, the government MUST address the fact that we have thousands of undocumented male immigrants coming into the UK free to go wherever they want. Andy Burnham is happy to house them in their thousands wherever he sees fit and I have not heard him OR his government talk about women’s safety once. Burnham can make as many cosy ‘I’m just a man who goes to Greggs and likes a pint.’ Videos as he wants but until he acknowledges how undocumented men pose a great risk to women’s safety, I won’t be supporting him or his party.

Please do not come up with facts and stats about white British males, I am acutely aware of the violence they also inflict against women and equally appalled by the Government’s inaction over this. But I find it horrific that if you have no documents and the government have no idea who you are you’re free to roam. This should not be allowed.

I feel so ignored as a woman in the UK our safety and wellbeing is way down the governments’ long list of priorities. I’m sick of the back benchers and those swaying to the far left or far right being given so much air time, whilst those of us in the middle are ignored day in and day out I voted for Labour in the last election but never again!

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FridayNightBlues · 09/09/2026 22:49

bluespotsandztarz · 09/09/2026 07:13

@Thepeopleversusworki haven’t said that the small boat crossings haven’t decreased but the I have said the numbers arriving are still high and I would say it is the biggest issue in our country right now! I don’t really care for Milliband’s pet projects. With the previous government it was Net Zero and with this one it is Palestine. My main issue, is the fact that thousands of undocumented men are entering the country but for some reason, I’m meant to be OK with that?

It's not the biggest issue. It's not even a big issue. It's been made a big issue by parties like reform for obvious reasons and of course the Tories lapped it up. We have got much bigger issues in this country that will affect people including you and your daughter much more. Like cost of living, the state of the NHS, the threat of climate change, the threat of reform coming to power and their minions getting an even bigger voice (and then women will be really screwed).

MumofCandR · 10/09/2026 06:22

11AndCounting · 09/09/2026 09:06

That's why we've moved into denial that the numbers have dropped so significantly.

Yes - a bit like turkeys (Euro MPs) voting for brexit... Oh, come to think of it, that's what Farrage did, made himself irrelevant and had to find a new outlet to gain power to feed his ego... Oh, that's why Reform exists!

SamTR1 · 11/09/2026 07:06

LilacBalloons · 09/09/2026 15:43

Well in this instance you're specifically criticising the UK government for seeking to take action to condemn and sanction Israel for (amongst other things) committing sexual violence as a method of waging war in the West Bank. It's hard for you to maintain the position that you do care about raped and abused women in Palestine when you're angry that our government is seeking to address the atrocities perpetrated against them.

Whereas your views on pro-Palestine supporters denying the horrific crimes perpetrated against Israeli women by Hamas have nothing to do with me, because I don't dispute that those evil crimes were committed, and I certainly don't defend Hamas, who are a truly horrific terrorist group.

Hamas has congratulated the Foreign Secretary and UK government on their actions.

Terrorist groups support Labour. Shame on anyone who voted for them.

LilacBalloons · 11/09/2026 07:56

SamTR1 · 11/09/2026 07:06

Hamas has congratulated the Foreign Secretary and UK government on their actions.

Terrorist groups support Labour. Shame on anyone who voted for them.

Yes, because they're a terrorist group exploiting an opportunity for propaganda. That doesn't mean the sanctions are wrong or inappropriate.

We have to resist this deliberately simplistic, black and white thinking, this palpably insane notion that criticising the actions of the Israel government or of settlers in the West Bank means you're supporting Hamas, or that wanting freedom and safety for the people of Palestine means you don't support the right of Israel to peacefully exist.

Settlers in the West Bank are committing violence against Palestinians living there. They have surrounded homes in which children live, cutting them off from water and electricity, and driven them from those homes. They have committed acts of violence and sexual violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. These are actions which are illegal and unjustifiable in their own right, but which also make the prospect of a two state solution less viable.

You have to be open to the nuance of this conflict. You have to care about the people, Israeli and Palestinian, who are suffering because of it. There are simultaneously Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups carrying out or planning attacks against Israelis, and Israeli government and settler activity expanding settlements, appropriating land, demolishing Palestinian homes and settlements, committing violence against Palestinians and displacing them.

Those things are both happening. The existence of Hamas cells doesn’t make every Israeli military operation in the West Bank legitimate, just as Israeli settlement activity doesn’t make Hamas’s attacks legitimate. We can (and are morally required to) condemn both groups for their acts of violence against innocent people.

Ujjain · 11/09/2026 08:04

You can be appalled at the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the West Bank. And you can also not want the boats to come.

SamTR1 · 11/09/2026 08:18

LilacBalloons · 11/09/2026 07:56

Yes, because they're a terrorist group exploiting an opportunity for propaganda. That doesn't mean the sanctions are wrong or inappropriate.

We have to resist this deliberately simplistic, black and white thinking, this palpably insane notion that criticising the actions of the Israel government or of settlers in the West Bank means you're supporting Hamas, or that wanting freedom and safety for the people of Palestine means you don't support the right of Israel to peacefully exist.

Settlers in the West Bank are committing violence against Palestinians living there. They have surrounded homes in which children live, cutting them off from water and electricity, and driven them from those homes. They have committed acts of violence and sexual violence against Palestinians in the West Bank. These are actions which are illegal and unjustifiable in their own right, but which also make the prospect of a two state solution less viable.

You have to be open to the nuance of this conflict. You have to care about the people, Israeli and Palestinian, who are suffering because of it. There are simultaneously Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups carrying out or planning attacks against Israelis, and Israeli government and settler activity expanding settlements, appropriating land, demolishing Palestinian homes and settlements, committing violence against Palestinians and displacing them.

Those things are both happening. The existence of Hamas cells doesn’t make every Israeli military operation in the West Bank legitimate, just as Israeli settlement activity doesn’t make Hamas’s attacks legitimate. We can (and are morally required to) condemn both groups for their acts of violence against innocent people.

Of course they’re using it for propaganda purposes but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Labour are clearly aligned with terrorists.

I’ve never felt so ashamed of a government before as I do now.

I understand why those who voted for Labour feel a need to justify their actions to make them feel less accountable but that helps nobody.

LilacBalloons · 11/09/2026 09:23

SamTR1 · 11/09/2026 08:18

Of course they’re using it for propaganda purposes but that doesn’t take away from the fact that Labour are clearly aligned with terrorists.

I’ve never felt so ashamed of a government before as I do now.

I understand why those who voted for Labour feel a need to justify their actions to make them feel less accountable but that helps nobody.

Christ, what a shitty take. Do you think the only two options are wholehearted support of Israel, or you're aligned with terrorists?

Do you think Israel should be allowed to commit unchecked atrocities in Palestine? Do you think it's legitimate for Palestinian women and children to be raped, beaten and driven from their homes? Is this acceptable collateral in your eyes?

Hamas exploiting an opportunity for propaganda doesn't mean nobody is allowed to make legitimate criticism of Israel. Israel's war crimes are not suddenly acceptable because Hamas are one of the many groups who condemn them.

This is not a conflict where you have to either be on the side of Hamas or Israel. You can choose to be on the side of humanity. You can choose to condemn Hamas and Settler violence. You can recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation who have committed unspeakable atrocities and recognise that the Israeli government is committing war crimes. You don't have to be ok with rape, with violence, with killing children, just because it's Israel doing those things.

pointythings · 11/09/2026 09:47

LilacBalloons · 11/09/2026 09:23

Christ, what a shitty take. Do you think the only two options are wholehearted support of Israel, or you're aligned with terrorists?

Do you think Israel should be allowed to commit unchecked atrocities in Palestine? Do you think it's legitimate for Palestinian women and children to be raped, beaten and driven from their homes? Is this acceptable collateral in your eyes?

Hamas exploiting an opportunity for propaganda doesn't mean nobody is allowed to make legitimate criticism of Israel. Israel's war crimes are not suddenly acceptable because Hamas are one of the many groups who condemn them.

This is not a conflict where you have to either be on the side of Hamas or Israel. You can choose to be on the side of humanity. You can choose to condemn Hamas and Settler violence. You can recognise Hamas as a terrorist organisation who have committed unspeakable atrocities and recognise that the Israeli government is committing war crimes. You don't have to be ok with rape, with violence, with killing children, just because it's Israel doing those things.

The complexity of the situation is clearly evidenced by the many Jewish people and groups who back these sanctions - a former Israeli Prime Minister among them.

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