To ask how any non-violent child in Scotland manages to function at this point

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The law now essentially prevents any intervention when an under 18 commits an offence

So we've got violent crime going completely unchecked (indeed it's rewarded with extra visits and promises of "resources" for the perpetrator). It's scary for adults but at least we can try to keep our distance in a (thankfully) ageing population.

How the fuck do kids who have to sit shut in a room with unchecked psychos handle it? Never mind the threat, which must be terrifying, but how do they process how unfair it is? How did we as adults let this total bullshit happen? Obviously blame Nicola sturgeon for yet another woke fuck up.

It's horrendous just now, isn't it? I keep reading about the absolute carnage in Edinburgh, with gangs of scrotes actually physically assaulting random adults, as well as the theft and criminal damage.

Even where I live, in a remote rural area, seems to have constant problems in the villages with these wee brats vandalising common areas and booting people's doors.

Fuck knows what it must be like having these unchecked sociopaths as one's peers or having to sit in a classroom with them - any decent child/teenager must be reaching adulthood with raging PTSD at this stage.

And yes absolutely it's like the worst-behaved little ferals are the Chosen Ones, and any quiet, decent kids are ignored or exhorted to Be Kind.

What has happened to your dc in school?

Our school hasn't had any problem like this, its a rough area but the worst there has been are videos taken when kids are fighting. One child in eldest child's year was shockingly arrested for robbing a petrol station, but he had been expelled prior to that so he was being disciplined, it just didn't work.

My friend in England is desperate to move back here as her dd is struggling so much at school down there, but where are you that there are thugs in your classroom and nothing done because I'll tell her not to move there!

Yanbu. We're setting these children up for failure. You can show children from rough backgrounds compassion as well as consequences. Yes, we need to understand that their behaviour is a consequence of shite parenting, bad home lives, poverty etc. Whilst also recognising that bad behaviour needs to have consequences. These children know that they're untouchable and are allowed to inflict misery on others. The SNP's approach to education and crime has been an abject failure.

I feel like deep down, many of them will be desperately missing boundaries even if they don't know what they're missing. Yes a few will be psychos but unfortunately the way things are now, those few get to dominate things and be a terrible influence on the rest.

Some actual boundaries and consequences could be the making of many of these kids, the current system just scraps them for all it pretends to be so empathetic.

It’s the inevitable result of leftist thinking. I mean the silly idea that everyone is a victim and that there should be no limit to our tolerance and ‘understanding’. That if some little sh*t has just driven the wrong way down a motorway, or hit an innocent person in face (then run away laughing with his mates), we need to ‘listen to how the child is feeling.’

I am totally against corporal punishment. I believe in kindness and sympathy. I also accept that not all kids get the same start in life. That said, teenage boys are pretty unpleasant. And a gang of teenage boys is capable of almost anything. They need boundaries and they need discipline.

Teenage boys are unpleasant and capable of almost anything? What on earth are you generalising to that ridiculous degree for?

Can't be that bad otherwise people would stop voting SNP in such overwhelming numbers wouldn't they?

Sounds like something out of A Clockwork Orange.

Its not just the lack of criminal sanctions but its basically impossible to expell a violent child from a school due to their right to an education (what about everyone else's right not to be attacked).
When my son was attacked in class (set up by ability instead of age group) by a much older boy who was literally strangling him until he was pulled off him, the boy in question wasn't even given a days suspension and I had to fight to get him removed from his class and for my son not to have to go through "restorative justice" ie sit in a room with this 16 year old thug and tell him how being strangled made my then 12 year old son feel🤬🤬🤬🤬
I had to report the violent shit to the police myself as the school refused, then after months of him continuing to target my autistic child I ended up getting a non mol order with a 500 yard exclusion zone so he couldn't be in the school when my son was, which ment the council had no choice but to move the thug to another school, my ds is in the special school bolted onto a mainstream school so I couldn't move him as no other school in our city could take my ds otherwise I would have moved him myself

How was the child expelled? The total number of kids expelled (permanently excluded) over the past 5 years is less than 10. There were no children expelled in the last academic year.

Sp many children and teachers are hospitalised each day in Scotland and yet are expected to go in and face their attacker like nothing has happened the next day. My child suffered daily physical attacks. They were so stressed they were refusing to go in. I didn’t blame them. What are you supposed to say? “Well I know you’re being attacked but at least some (highly contested!) research says that if you let him beat you up every day he’s less likely to end up in prison”?

It’s nothing short of state sponsored child abuse on the part of the SNP government. They couldn’t care less. It just gets added to their extremely lengthy list of failures.

So many of these kids will see their classmates beating up other innocent classmates, see absolutely zero consequences and think it looks like fun so they’ll join in.

Its like these SNP MSPs have never met an under 18 in their lives!

Is this sarcasm?

Theres a heck of a lot of anti English bigots who think the SNP is brilliant here.

OMG! This thread is so sad. I'm so sorry to hear about all those poor kids being bullied and attacked with absolutely no consequences. How can that be right or appropriate?

Yes, or they think this shit is normal, or they live somewhere where they're sheltered from it, or they think independence is worth sucking it up.
Besides, a lot less people voted SNP in 2026 - just that the unionist vote gets split across most of the rest of the parties, Greens excluded.

Just checked. 2 children have been permanently excluded in the whole of Scotland in the past 5 years. That in a nutshell is why violence is through the roof and educational standards are plummeting. But addressing it would take effort and the SNP ministers are too thick and can’t be arsed.

Is this why there is such a high percentage of children in private school (cf England) in some parts of Scotland ?

It’s why I put my child in private school. They were broken, totally broken by being attacked day after day after day. What else as a parent would you do? Where do you turn? We both loathe private schools and can’t really afford it but had no other option. Our child was in the very best state school in the area, one of the best in Scotland. It wasn’t even remotely rough but the violence was still rife.

From everything I have heard, the SNP promise of independence means that nothing else they do, or don't do, matters.

I'm so sorry that happened to your poor son. What an horrific experience for him, and totally preventable.

We seem to have moved, in all areas, to a point where, in order to not 'leave out' or 'overlook' the minority we now now actually overlook the majority instead. That way lies madness, in fact, I think we're already there.

The Scottish government did a big review on how to tackle violence in schools. The result was the advice that a teacher should hand a pupil - mid violent rage - a laminated prided of paper which stated their rights and responsibilities as a pupil at the school. That was it! That was the outcome. Breathtaking! No understanding whatsoever of the situation faced by teachers and pupils. No comprehension of the psyche of a child.

That Education minister is now the finance secretary.

A number of my DC's classmates who are teaching have moved to SE Asia to teach in international schools because discipline is good, the kids are polite and eager to learn.

This is very much coming Englands way. Scotland decided that they would shut PRUs and a lot of special schools and throw everyone into the melting pot under the guise of ‘inclusion’ (to save loads of money on schools) and guess what? Standards have dropped off a cliff and teachers and pupils are in the firing range. And yet England seems keen to follow their lead because it’s proved so successful cheap!

I just drove from south Edinburgh (IKEA area) back into Edinburgh. Just after we passed under the Edinburgh bypass there were half a dozen young teenage boys on bikes riding on the wrong side of the road towards the oncoming traffic dodging all the cars. One was on an electric scooter. Frequently see older boys riding on electric bikes at top speed and doing wheelies. It's awful

My eldest has just started S1 and so far no incidents but maybe we've just been lucky? The police did have to visit their primary due to some specific behavioural issues with one kid who thankfully moved away. The school seemed helpless to discipline or exclude that kid and the parents didn't seem to care.

Given that the police can't intervene even in violent assaults I'd guess yes lucky this far