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To think Andy Burnham is doing a decent job so far?

238 replies

spiceupyourlives · Yesterday 08:33

I’m really impressed by him working with the tories and Lib Dems on social care. It’s what we’ve needed more of in this country for so long, and a solution to the crisis will only come about if the next party to take charge is also committed to the solution.

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Freud2 · Yesterday 17:56

Rosal33 · Yesterday 10:47

Why would they be invited?They want to privatise the NHS, why invite a party who wants to destroy the NHS to a meeting trying to save it?

That's absolute rubbish. Reform have never said that.

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 18:09

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 16:08

So when New Labour massively invested in the apprenticeship system, restructured and funded it you benefited as did all your family. If AB wants to improve this system further, as he has started to do in Manchester, then you must see how it is good for the country?

Or did you mean it won’t benefit you now and you don’t care about others as your family all have their qualifications. AB is making technical qualifications more accessible - surely you must see how that’s a good thing?

I wouldn’t vote Labour ever, so it’s pointless continuing to try and persuade me of the wonderfulness of labour past and of AB and his policies. I’ll believe the promises once they’ve passed through parliament and become a reality.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 18:18

Freud2 · Yesterday 17:56

That's absolute rubbish. Reform have never said that.

Not in as many words. The intention is pretty obvious.

Freud2 · Yesterday 18:20

Mygardenshedisfallingdown · Yesterday 11:55

A lot of posters were really happy when labour were voted in but then it went pear shaped.
But having said that, I'd rather have any party in power except for the brain dead Reform.

Millions disagree with you.

Cobrakainerd · Yesterday 18:22

He said he was going to start council house building on a scale not seen since post war. I'll judge him on his ability to deliver this.

Supersleepysheepy · Yesterday 18:25

Freud2 · Yesterday 18:20

Millions disagree with you.

And many agree that Reform would be catastrophic for this country.

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 18:26

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 18:09

I wouldn’t vote Labour ever, so it’s pointless continuing to try and persuade me of the wonderfulness of labour past and of AB and his policies. I’ll believe the promises once they’ve passed through parliament and become a reality.

Don’t vote Labour. I’m just pointing out that Labour policy has benefited your family. The promises about apprenticeships helped you and yours. Thats the reality of the qualifications you all gained.

I hate to suggest you have benefited from policies and now you want to pull the ladder up. Vote for who you like I bet you’d find a welcome in Reform.

randomchap · Yesterday 19:21

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 18:18

Not in as many words. The intention is pretty obvious.

You don't need immigrants to staff the NHS if there is no NHS...

5128gap · Yesterday 19:43

Freud2 · Yesterday 18:20

Millions disagree with you.

Thankfully not enough. Those who agree with her outnumber them quite comfortably.

jetlag92 · Yesterday 20:06

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · Yesterday 09:05

Yes. Most 'Arabic' countries are allies of America ( Qatar, SA) and are also enemies of Iran (Persian) and are being bombed by them.

Edited

I think Iran (Persia) is not something you could ever put together in a sentence with being very, very ignorant.

Craftycariad · Yesterday 20:11

spiceupyourlives · Yesterday 08:33

I’m really impressed by him working with the tories and Lib Dems on social care. It’s what we’ve needed more of in this country for so long, and a solution to the crisis will only come about if the next party to take charge is also committed to the solution.

I agree, it needs cross party agreement in the planning which has never happened before

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · Yesterday 20:14

I agree! And I really want everyone to give him a chance after all the chopping and changing.

Yes - it does feel like we’ve gone through some weird looking glass where an ordinary guy suddenly gets to be PM - but that’s probably a. A good thing if it were true, and b. Not really true but probably a deliberately constructed image.

It also feels even less democratic than when Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak became PM - because he was almost gifted a seat just so he could become PM - but it seems to be going well so I think we should go along with it.

And no, Farage absolutely shouldn’t have been invited to the meeting with Badenoch and Davey. He’s not even an MP! Even when he was he led a tiny minority party - they might as well invite along the DUP.

Craftycariad · Yesterday 20:14

Fchane · Yesterday 08:41

I think he’s been absolutely dreadful. Full of expensive, unfunded promises.

Yes, it’s good if they can come up with a cross party agreement but he’s doing it out of political survival. If there is cross party consensus, the other parties share the fall out with the public of whatever the solution is. If he thought he could come up with a solution the public would like, he’d do it under Labour alone.

I disagree, no plan will work over the period of a parliament which is why it is imperative that cross party consensus is needed. If we are unlucky enough that labour are not returned next time at least the next government will keep it going .

ilovesooty · Yesterday 20:20

Fchane · Yesterday 08:45

Yes, but the impression I got from your post is that you think he has done this out of noble principle of cross party working, when actually it’s, imho, a cynical political calculation to avoid Labour paying the cost at the ballot.

And that's your opinion. Other people might think differently.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:21

ilovesooty · Yesterday 20:20

And that's your opinion. Other people might think differently.

And do.

Craftycariad · Yesterday 20:27

LauraNorda · Yesterday 09:16

The Libdems have got zero chance of forming a majority government. Should have included Reform.

At the very least, we would have seen whether Reform do have any workable ideas.

Reform have 7 members of parliament , they are not included for a reason and that is that they are not the largest parties. Nigel Farage has no say at the moment as he is not an M.P. and should not be included in any discussions

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:51

Craftycariad · Yesterday 20:27

Reform have 7 members of parliament , they are not included for a reason and that is that they are not the largest parties. Nigel Farage has no say at the moment as he is not an M.P. and should not be included in any discussions

Not only that but they place so little value on health and social care that none of their MPs holds the portfolio. Anyone else ever heard of David Bull?

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · Yesterday 21:08

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:51

Not only that but they place so little value on health and social care that none of their MPs holds the portfolio. Anyone else ever heard of David Bull?

Didn't he used to be This Mornings resident doctor? Or someone on channel 5. I'm guessing, as I know this, possibly during one of my maternity leaves- 2008/9 or 2011/12!

Craftycariad · Yesterday 21:10

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 20:51

Not only that but they place so little value on health and social care that none of their MPs holds the portfolio. Anyone else ever heard of David Bull?

I remember him on morning tv i think, wasn't he on good morning Britain as the on screen dr. Must admit I never realized he was now an M.P. what I am struggling to understand is why any of the media are giving time to someone who is not an elected M.P. as some one with out a seat in any other party Farage would have to step down as leader, but I suppose as he is the owner of the business the same rules don't apply to him

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 21:14

Craftycariad · Yesterday 21:10

I remember him on morning tv i think, wasn't he on good morning Britain as the on screen dr. Must admit I never realized he was now an M.P. what I am struggling to understand is why any of the media are giving time to someone who is not an elected M.P. as some one with out a seat in any other party Farage would have to step down as leader, but I suppose as he is the owner of the business the same rules don't apply to him

He isn’t an MP. That was my point, Reform doesn’t consider health important enough to give the portfolio to a sitting MP. Some random TV doctor who looks like Joe Swash has got it.

5128gap · Yesterday 21:14

Craftycariad · Yesterday 21:10

I remember him on morning tv i think, wasn't he on good morning Britain as the on screen dr. Must admit I never realized he was now an M.P. what I am struggling to understand is why any of the media are giving time to someone who is not an elected M.P. as some one with out a seat in any other party Farage would have to step down as leader, but I suppose as he is the owner of the business the same rules don't apply to him

Its up to the party to set the rules on it. Labour and Tory require it. Greens obviously don't though.

Shatenoeuf · Yesterday 21:21

Fchane · Yesterday 08:41

I think he’s been absolutely dreadful. Full of expensive, unfunded promises.

Yes, it’s good if they can come up with a cross party agreement but he’s doing it out of political survival. If there is cross party consensus, the other parties share the fall out with the public of whatever the solution is. If he thought he could come up with a solution the public would like, he’d do it under Labour alone.

It doesn't bloody matter . It needs doing, if this is the way to get something politically unattractive but necesssary done (without getting voted out without it getting done) fair play to him for finding a way.

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 21:25

Shatenoeuf · Yesterday 21:21

It doesn't bloody matter . It needs doing, if this is the way to get something politically unattractive but necesssary done (without getting voted out without it getting done) fair play to him for finding a way.

HE has not found a way”. He’s purely asked for their cooperation in the project which, of course, they’ve agreed to. They had no option really, did they? No solution has been scoped, let alone found.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 21:27

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 21:25

HE has not found a way”. He’s purely asked for their cooperation in the project which, of course, they’ve agreed to. They had no option really, did they? No solution has been scoped, let alone found.

He didn’t ask. They offered.

Dilligafy · Today 06:36

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 18:09

I wouldn’t vote Labour ever, so it’s pointless continuing to try and persuade me of the wonderfulness of labour past and of AB and his policies. I’ll believe the promises once they’ve passed through parliament and become a reality.

Seconded.

I would never vote Labour - never have, never will.

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