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To think Andy Burnham is doing a decent job so far?

237 replies

spiceupyourlives · Yesterday 08:33

I’m really impressed by him working with the tories and Lib Dems on social care. It’s what we’ve needed more of in this country for so long, and a solution to the crisis will only come about if the next party to take charge is also committed to the solution.

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Xanhi · Yesterday 11:52

spiceupyourlives · Yesterday 10:36

No. He’s taking the power out of London because the entire country has become London centric.

How is he doing that? What actual power is he taking out of London and putting into Manchester?

TheWytch · Yesterday 11:52

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 11:34

So you’ve lost your last bus service and AB didn’t save it in the just over a week he’s been in power. Listen to yourself - that’s nonsense.
It took years to sort out the buses in Manchester, not 6 days.

We have a Labour MP ( well did, he's under police investigation for misconduct in public office), Labour county and local councillors and the Labour controlled WECA which cancelled the funding for most of the services a while ago

Forgive me if I don't believe a word that Labour says.

paralinno · Yesterday 11:54

Give him a chance, then judge performance. No wonder UK is in the doldrums with such negative attitudes from so many about so much.

Mygardenshedisfallingdown · Yesterday 11:55

A lot of posters were really happy when labour were voted in but then it went pear shaped.
But having said that, I'd rather have any party in power except for the brain dead Reform.

Digerydont · Yesterday 11:57

Digerydont · Yesterday 11:38

I don't have a car, I cycle or use the bus. If AB makes buses free for teenagers, I would have to buy a car. Teenagers vape and play rap and harass the older passengers.

They were accusing a middle-aged woman of being a heroin addict and a prostitute. They can't go a 15-minute bus ride without vaping.

juldan · Yesterday 12:26

ruffler45 · Yesterday 11:35

AB has said he wants access to transport across all postcodes.

Cloud cuckoo land?

@ruffler45
Why cuckoo land?
Andy Burnham wants to give more powers to the councils and this is the way to go to have reliable public transport. The places where bus companies are owned by councils provide the best service because the profits are invested back into it.
I live in a town like this. There are some negative things I could say about my town, but the bus service is fabulous.

A smallish posh town nearby, where I used to live, had a nightmare bus service. We called them “pensioners buses” as there were only a few routes so the buses went round in circles, collecting every body who wanted to use the service around town. It took ages to get anywhere so they were no use to commuters.The service also stopped in early evening.
A few years ago Torries lost the local election after decades of being in control. Lib Dems took over, and guess what? Now they have reliable transport with a lot of new routes. A lot of people of use the service now even if they are in a hurry. I am still in shock whenever I am there and see buses running at night.

It proves that it can be done. Though probably not in the councils where Torries or Reform are in power.

Totallybannanas · Yesterday 12:28

I've just seen his interview with This morning, and he sounds a breath of fresh air. I like some of his ideas and the fact he is raising issues such as the cost of living and our dying high street. I hope he is successful.

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:32

Oh my goodness AT LAST someone is talking about doing something about the care system. Bring on the ten percent taz on inheritances if it sorts it out. Please Andy Burnham make good on at least this promise. But yeah I really like what he’s doing in general , changing stuff that really affects people and can be fmdone quickly and easily

Echobelly · Yesterday 12:33

I think he's doing OK and looking for this he can do that will make a positive difference.

I am on bluesky and I am a bit sick of the endless cynicism on the political left (of which I am a part) about how he's terrible and awful and just another Starmer. It would be fair to at least give him a chance.

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:34

Fchane · Yesterday 08:41

I think he’s been absolutely dreadful. Full of expensive, unfunded promises.

Yes, it’s good if they can come up with a cross party agreement but he’s doing it out of political survival. If there is cross party consensus, the other parties share the fall out with the public of whatever the solution is. If he thought he could come up with a solution the public would like, he’d do it under Labour alone.

Whi cares as long as the care system is sorted out?

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:40

dottiedodah · Yesterday 09:26

I think he's full of good intentions. However things like having a No 10 in Manchester doesn't really work out .I think giving 4.5 grand to neet parents is also a bit of a gimmick.however he has got time yet

i think he’s pragmatic. If that’s what it takes to get youngsters into apprenticeships and careers then go for it. I’d probably expect that there be an expectation on attendance rates to actually get the money.

Totallybannanas · Yesterday 12:40

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:34

Whi cares as long as the care system is sorted out?

If they can all agree on and come up with a system, then regardless of who's in power it will be followed through. It's not going to work overnight and who knows how long AB or labour with be in power.

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:43

Totallybannanas · Yesterday 12:40

If they can all agree on and come up with a system, then regardless of who's in power it will be followed through. It's not going to work overnight and who knows how long AB or labour with be in power.

I really hope it is sorted as things are only going to get worse. The care system needed sorting by yesterday and politicians not collectively finding a solution are letting everyone down

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:48

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 11:28

Huh! I haven’t seen a single thing that’ll benefit me. But my DH and I brought up two children in a stable home, supported them through their education and training, never claiming anything but Child Benefit, with those two adults now working with children of their own, everyone always employed (albeit I’m now retired) all saving and doing everything we can to ensure our futures. Seems that’s not the way Labour believe it should be and we need be ready to have our success ripped away through taxation.

Well maybe he’ll save you from having to sell up your house for care in the future? Or ensure you get a bed in hospital if you need it because places will be freed up by those that ‘only’ need care getting it without being stuck in hospital.

Dilligafy · Yesterday 13:05

Sorry to be negative, but it’s the Labour back benches and unions who have the power.

Forgive me if I don’t get too excited with Burnham.

SpringSunshines · Yesterday 13:08

Well let’s see when he gets to the tough stuff. To begin with I thought he had confused his job title with Father Christmas.

Cross party working for big stuff though is a promising approach to health and social care. Hope it brings a better solution.

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 13:09

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 11:31

Will public transport improvements not help you or your grandchildren? Will changes to social care not potentially help you? Will improving training for more trades people not help you?

Or are you harking back to Thatcher and how she gave tax cuts and sold off the family jewels - is that the kind of help you want. The kind of help that has screwed your grandchildren.

Not my grandchildren. And living very rurally, transport won’t help either as it’d be a two and a half mile journey to a main road.

allthiscarryon · Yesterday 13:11

Changes have to be made and some will cost us all more, but that’s the way it is. Anything he announces costing money, the right will whine about while simultaneously saying he’s not going far enough!
But let’s give it a chance…

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 13:11

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 12:48

Well maybe he’ll save you from having to sell up your house for care in the future? Or ensure you get a bed in hospital if you need it because places will be freed up by those that ‘only’ need care getting it without being stuck in hospital.

I have a more positive outlook. No home owned anyway.

Northernlassie123 · Yesterday 13:27

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 13:11

I have a more positive outlook. No home owned anyway.

I am also a pretty positive person but I like to be well insured. Elderly people often need care no matter how positive they are and people in general need hospital beds whether they have a positive attitude or not.

Badbadbunny · Yesterday 14:01

Binnyforthewin · Yesterday 11:36

I actually find it hard to believe that this would be case but it must be a sizable problem otherwise you wouldn't need the policy. Parents who put themselves ahead of their children are something else.

They'll be the same "kind" of parents who only have children for more benefits and expect them to look after them in their old age!

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 15:33

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 13:09

Not my grandchildren. And living very rurally, transport won’t help either as it’d be a two and a half mile journey to a main road.

It’s very impressive that you and your family don’t need any help from any one who trained through an apprenticeship. You must all be very talented, electricians, plumbers, builders, engineers…
All that and none of you ever use public transport, although if you choose to live 2 miles from a main road complaining about buses is a bit much.

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 15:54

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 15:33

It’s very impressive that you and your family don’t need any help from any one who trained through an apprenticeship. You must all be very talented, electricians, plumbers, builders, engineers…
All that and none of you ever use public transport, although if you choose to live 2 miles from a main road complaining about buses is a bit much.

Firstly, my DH and then both children, and a DiL completed apprenticeships, them getting paid £100 ish a week. All are still working in their chosen profession, but all have taken further qualifications, again at some cost to themselves. My SiL completed the equivalent in the armed forces and is now part of the first responder profession.
And secondly, I purely pointed out the fact that transport improvements were no use to me, or many others in remote locations. I didn’t moan about it.

Greenleavesandsunshine · Yesterday 16:08

Loopylalalou · Yesterday 15:54

Firstly, my DH and then both children, and a DiL completed apprenticeships, them getting paid £100 ish a week. All are still working in their chosen profession, but all have taken further qualifications, again at some cost to themselves. My SiL completed the equivalent in the armed forces and is now part of the first responder profession.
And secondly, I purely pointed out the fact that transport improvements were no use to me, or many others in remote locations. I didn’t moan about it.

So when New Labour massively invested in the apprenticeship system, restructured and funded it you benefited as did all your family. If AB wants to improve this system further, as he has started to do in Manchester, then you must see how it is good for the country?

Or did you mean it won’t benefit you now and you don’t care about others as your family all have their qualifications. AB is making technical qualifications more accessible - surely you must see how that’s a good thing?

Freud2 · Yesterday 17:50

ShetlandishMum · Yesterday 08:44

I would like to see things done before I would say good job. Not just more talk.

He'll never reduce the welfare bill - the back benches will see to that. So many people fleecing the system especially on PIP where applications are nearly all on line so easier to lie. You can be earning £200,000 and still be eligible as it's not means tested.
Also I know that many are using AI to fill in their forms so the right key words are used.

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