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My boyfriend’s mum still has a tracker on his phone… he’s 31

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TryingNotToJudgeMyBf · Yesterday 12:09

I’ve been seeing my boyfriend for just under a year and, overall, he’s lovely. Kind, funny, has a good job, owns his own place. I genuinely thought I’d found one of the good ones.Then something happened last weekend that has completely thrown me.

We were out for dinner about 45 minutes from where we live when his phone rang. He glanced at it, sighed and said, “It’s Mum.”
He answered and the first thing she said was, “Why are you in Oxford? I thought you were just going into town.”

I laughed because I assumed she’d seen a photo on social media or something. But after he hung up I asked how she knew where we were. He looked at me as if it was completely normal and said, “Oh, she can see my location.” I asked if he’d shared it with her because we were meeting up afterwards “No,” he said. “She’s always had it. Apparently she set it up years ago “for safety” when he first moved away from home, and neither of them has ever turned it off.
I said that was unusual for a 31 year old man. He shrugged and said, “It makes her happy.”

The next morning we decided to drive to the coast on a whim. About halfway there his phone buzzed. His mum had texted: “Didn’t realise you liked Brighton. Weather’s nicer where you are than here.” An hour later another message: “You’re parked a long way from the seafront.” Then “Are you staying overnight? I hope you’ve booked somewhere decent.”

When we got back to the hotel, he admitted she checks his location “a few times a day”. He laughed and said she gets worried if he stays in one place for too long because she wonders if he’s been in an accident.

He confessed she also has alerts set up so she gets notified when he arrives at work and when he gets home. Apparently she texted him once asking why he’d left work at 2pm.
He’d gone to the dentist. Then I found out she’s rung him before because she saw he was at a retail park and wanted him to pop into M&S for her.

A couple of days ago I was at his flat when the doorbell rang. His mum had popped round completely unannounced. When he asked why she’d come over she said “Well, your location said you were home and you hadn’t replied to my text.” She genuinely couldn’t understand why that might be crossing a line.

My boyfriend insists it’s harmless, says she’s just anxious, and thinks I’m making a mountain out of a molehill. He says, “If you’ve got nothing to hide, why does it matter if she knows where I am?” I’ve tried explaining that it’s not about hiding anything and that it’s about having some privacy and boundaries as an adult.

Then yesterday, he casually asked if I’d be willing to share my location with him permanently because “it would make things easier.” When I asked why, he admitted his mum had suggested it so she’d know where both of us were if we were together.

AIBU to think this is completely bizarre, or is this more common than I realise?

OP posts:
MeAndMyGhost · Yesterday 13:43

I got four paragraphs in and my thoughts were "throw this one back" OP.

I would hate for ANYBODY checking my whereabouts. I am an adult and not in a witness protection programme.

godmum56 · Yesterday 13:43

HidingFromSunshine · Yesterday 13:42

its the phonecalls and questioning that’s weirder than the tracking

yup.

TheSmellOfSea · Yesterday 13:43

Cosyblankets · Yesterday 12:14

So you've been with him a year and this is the first time it's happened yet it seems to now be happening a lot?

Yes I know 🤔

GingerdeadMan · Yesterday 13:43

Velvetandleather · Yesterday 13:41

I think maybe it’s the word track which is the issue. This woman is clearly actively tracking her son. Most people who have location sharing don’t do this. Because we respect each other. And aren’t we all vulnerable at some points. Me when I’m abroad on my own as a woman? I has a scary incident with a taxi driver a few weeks ago. My husband clearly couldn’t do anything but talk to me on the phone, but at least he knew exactly where I was. What about my daughter making her way home after a boozy night out on her own? What about my husband doing a five hour drive home after working 1o hours. None of us are vulnerable in ourselves, as people , but all of us at certain points are vulnerable.

as long as used correctly and respectfully , then it can only be a benefit

I think the point where some people, me included feel it becomes intrusive is the normalisation of keeping it on all the time.

You could put it on for your solo trip, then turn it off again. It takes seconds.

duckfordinner · Yesterday 13:45

Enmeshed family, no boundaries. Run…

FourSevenFour · Yesterday 13:46

It can be ok and practical to have the location sharing set up in some way.

The issue is when the person uses it for no good reason, and actually tracks the other one and comment on it.

Any recommendation for an app (android) where person can get the other ones location, but only when using a password/the other person is notified?

godmum56 · Yesterday 13:46

TheSmellOfSea · Yesterday 13:43

Yes I know 🤔

That's why I asked if the OP had met the mother and did they get on?

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 13:47

godmum56 · Yesterday 13:42

so not 31?

To be honest, if my dc still live like teens when they are 31, which I pray to God they don't, i.e. live at home, are unmarried and without children, without a proper job, relying on the parents - who knows how life will pan out - I would treat them as teenagers, meaning house rules, bed times, and a tracker on the phone - but at the same time I shall probably be regularly treated by a psych facility. But I have very old-fashioned rules. An adult should have an adult life before being treated like an adult, basically.

godmum56 · Yesterday 13:48

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 13:47

To be honest, if my dc still live like teens when they are 31, which I pray to God they don't, i.e. live at home, are unmarried and without children, without a proper job, relying on the parents - who knows how life will pan out - I would treat them as teenagers, meaning house rules, bed times, and a tracker on the phone - but at the same time I shall probably be regularly treated by a psych facility. But I have very old-fashioned rules. An adult should have an adult life before being treated like an adult, basically.

well that would deffo make them move out! And why is being unmarried with no kids "living like a teen"?

Itsseweasy · Yesterday 13:50

Oh wow she’s a control freak and has him by the balls 😳
There’s either a personality disorder or severe anxiety at play here. Either way, she will now be controlling you as an extension of him so it’s up to you whether you want that for the rest of your life.
(plus he will never, ever put you first, it will always be Mummy dearest’s ideas/wishes/demands above yours…)

Snorlaxo · Yesterday 13:52

Your bf has done what many men (and women!) do and stuck his head in the sand so that he doesn’t have to face this real issue. The trackers are feeding her anxiety and will get worse as she ages and becomes more vulnerable.

If you give into this then it’s a matter of time before you start getting calls from her. It’s massively creepy and I’d be running as fast as I could.

I don’t track my adult kids. If we wanted to know each other’s location for the day because we are doing something like meeting in a city then we might turn it on that day until we meet but otherwise we do the “old fashioned” thing and call. Not unusual for my ds who lives with me to call/text and ask if I can pick up some Doritos if I’m going past the supermarket after work.

user1492809438 · Yesterday 13:52

Completely bizarre, RUN! I have sons [31 and 35] they'd never allow this.Of course I'd love it, I'll never stop worrying about them until dementia or death takes me, but I understand privacy and boundaries.

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 13:52

godmum56 · Yesterday 13:48

well that would deffo make them move out! And why is being unmarried with no kids "living like a teen"?

Religious reasons (Christian denomination).

thatgreenjuniper · Yesterday 13:53

sillylittlerabbit · Yesterday 13:10

I do not understand the tracking for safety thing. We never used to have this as an option - do we really feel it’s making the world safer?!
I have no desire for anyone to be able to track my movements, nor do I want to track theirs. It’s creepy and intrusive.

I mean if I get assaulted when I ams running alone, I am not sure how the tracker will actually help? How long do people think the assault is likely to last that a tracker will make a difference?

If my DH is in a car accident, the chances to be in a deserted place where no-one will notice and his car will be hidden for ages until he gets found are pretty remote.

Are partners supposed to follow the tracker at all point to be ready to call the emergency number?

To be fair, kids have trackers when they ski, they are not allowed to go off piste but they still have a tracker, you never know.

DiscoElysia · Yesterday 13:57

I'm biased because I hate tracking in general (wouldn't agree to it with my DH if he asked, although fortunately feels the same way and would be similarly horrified if I asked him; don't intend to do ir with my DD). I can see it has specific uses at specific times - eg sometimes one of my friends is doing a long drive to me and activates some thing that lets me check on their progress so I'm not trapped in the house waiting for them to arrive within a big possible turning-up window. I also get why parents might use it at specific times with their kids etc. No tech is all bad. Generally I think it is icky though because:

  • the 'if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear' mentality is horrific to me. It creates an expectation of constant transparency and availability that I just don't think is compatible with an ethos of personal freedom. I bet it crushes spontaneity too - if I knew my movements were being tracked, even by someone I totally trusted and who I knew wouldn't be controlling or intrusive about it, I think it would make me less likely to do impulsive stuff I fancied. We act different when someone is watching us.
  • even if it isn't intended as a tool of control, I think having access to the tech probably has the potential to lead to control creep and generally encourage nosiness.
  • for people who use it to soothe their anxiety, I'd argue it is actually a safety behaviour that perpetuates anxiety. The need to know in order to feel secure is never challenged; never fully satisfied; has a tendency towards expansion.
  • it is an abusive and controlling person's dream. Sure, most people who use it will say they totally trust the people with access to their location and don't feel controlled by them... but given how commonplace abusive and controlling behaviours are, creating a social norm where tracking people close to us is just what we all do is surely the greatest boon to these people ever. And it's not like any of us have never trusted and loved someone and found our feelings change for them later, or we couldn't trust them as much as we thought... It's easy to let someone track us and hard to justify saying no to it later.

All that aside... even if you were chill with tracking loved ones in general, the situation you've described sounds horrific. She isn't just checking his location. She is building her whole life around him and his movements; she is intruding on him when he doesn't meet her expectations; she is generally way too emeshed with him. It doesn't sound like she can tolerate the concept of him having a private life away from her. I shudder to think how this dynamic would play out if she became your mother-in-law.

Urgh, awful awful.

And btw, I don't mean to say I have no empathy for her if she's anxious. Being anxious about your kids is the most understandable thing in the world. However I think it's part of a parent's responsibility to allow their kids to become their own people and to manage the painful feelings we might have about that. And to get mental health support / therapy if we can't do that alone.)

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 13:59

I’d be running for the hills, sorry OP. She’s not just taking an interest in her son, she’s inserting herself in areas of his life where she shouldn’t - and she knows it. She’s essentially monitoring him and now that’s not enough - she wants to monitor you too. She’s controlling to the point of it being suffocating.

MsPrufrockk · Yesterday 14:02

Abort, abort 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

DearDenimEagle · Yesterday 14:06

HollyhocksandPeons · Yesterday 13:52

Religious reasons (Christian denomination).

Seriously? That’s got to be a wind up. So you’d have a tracker on Jesus and treat him like a teen, because he was a 31 yr old unmarried w/out kids ?

Zanatdy · Yesterday 14:07

I have 3 adult kids and find it a big invasion of privacy. If he doesn’t mind fair enough, but it would put me right off him.

Twolittlebirds75 · Yesterday 14:16

Due to some very upsetting incidents my older kids (in their 30s) have an app that tells them where my youngest dd24 is. We don't use it unless there is a problem, we certainly don't call her re where she is. This is related to something that dd2 was subject to more than 5 years ago. Another more serious incident happened later however it didn't help as she didn't have her phone with her. I can see from both sides but your bf mothers steps o er the line imo.

batshitaboutcatshit · Yesterday 14:18

Completely and utterly unhinged. It’s very sad that he doesn’t realise this.

CaptainMyCaptain · Yesterday 14:18

DearDenimEagle · Yesterday 14:06

Seriously? That’s got to be a wind up. So you’d have a tracker on Jesus and treat him like a teen, because he was a 31 yr old unmarried w/out kids ?

Wow! Imagine the Virgin Mary going out of her mind when Jesus was wandering about all over the countryside spreading the Word. If she'd had access to modern technology she could have reined him in and made him stay at home.

notanotherfootballmatch · Yesterday 14:19

EmmaOvary · Yesterday 12:13

Run like the fucking WIND

This.

Frugalgal · Yesterday 14:19

DiscoElysia · Yesterday 13:57

I'm biased because I hate tracking in general (wouldn't agree to it with my DH if he asked, although fortunately feels the same way and would be similarly horrified if I asked him; don't intend to do ir with my DD). I can see it has specific uses at specific times - eg sometimes one of my friends is doing a long drive to me and activates some thing that lets me check on their progress so I'm not trapped in the house waiting for them to arrive within a big possible turning-up window. I also get why parents might use it at specific times with their kids etc. No tech is all bad. Generally I think it is icky though because:

  • the 'if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear' mentality is horrific to me. It creates an expectation of constant transparency and availability that I just don't think is compatible with an ethos of personal freedom. I bet it crushes spontaneity too - if I knew my movements were being tracked, even by someone I totally trusted and who I knew wouldn't be controlling or intrusive about it, I think it would make me less likely to do impulsive stuff I fancied. We act different when someone is watching us.
  • even if it isn't intended as a tool of control, I think having access to the tech probably has the potential to lead to control creep and generally encourage nosiness.
  • for people who use it to soothe their anxiety, I'd argue it is actually a safety behaviour that perpetuates anxiety. The need to know in order to feel secure is never challenged; never fully satisfied; has a tendency towards expansion.
  • it is an abusive and controlling person's dream. Sure, most people who use it will say they totally trust the people with access to their location and don't feel controlled by them... but given how commonplace abusive and controlling behaviours are, creating a social norm where tracking people close to us is just what we all do is surely the greatest boon to these people ever. And it's not like any of us have never trusted and loved someone and found our feelings change for them later, or we couldn't trust them as much as we thought... It's easy to let someone track us and hard to justify saying no to it later.

All that aside... even if you were chill with tracking loved ones in general, the situation you've described sounds horrific. She isn't just checking his location. She is building her whole life around him and his movements; she is intruding on him when he doesn't meet her expectations; she is generally way too emeshed with him. It doesn't sound like she can tolerate the concept of him having a private life away from her. I shudder to think how this dynamic would play out if she became your mother-in-law.

Urgh, awful awful.

And btw, I don't mean to say I have no empathy for her if she's anxious. Being anxious about your kids is the most understandable thing in the world. However I think it's part of a parent's responsibility to allow their kids to become their own people and to manage the painful feelings we might have about that. And to get mental health support / therapy if we can't do that alone.)

Edited

Absolutely brilliant response.

PyongyangKipperbang · Yesterday 14:20

Yet another one who doesnt have a MIL problem but a DP problem.

The issue isnt the tracking, its that you have said it makes you uncomfortable and he a) refuses to respect that and at least turn it off when you are together and b) pushed you to also share your location with her despite you making your feelings clear. She wont cut the cord and he is fine with that.

Mummy will always come first, you will forever be the "other woman" in his life, second in all things and decisions.