Do people equate the global wild fires with global warming? Or is it still just weather?

[Greedybilly]

What are your thoughts?
I'm finding the whole thing bloody terrifying and feel like we're all just sleep walking into a bit of a nightmare.

I was wondering how many vineyards will be affected by the fires in France in particular. Bordeaux has loads of vineyards.

The prices will go up.

@Monty36I think you are a bit behind the times, very few countries have high birth rates now. Poorer countries have more dc and as countries get richer & more educated there is a switch. A child in Somalia does not have the same carbon footprint as a child in the west.

I don’t think it’s flippant, but I do think there is an element of racism. We must stop the poorer people having more dc and using global resources because we in the west need them more.

From an economic perspective if you want a smaller population, you don’t want a smaller & older one. You need youth.

The global fertility rate was approx 5 in the 50s and it’s now 2.2 ish. Birth rates have fallen

It happens. It happens in sicily where I have family and honestly they survive. It's not pleasant but it happens to many med countries every year. My great grandma is nearly 100 she has some stories.

You were flippant. I am not behind the times. Nor am I a racist.

I don’t think it is racist to want to enhance people who live in abject grinding poverty in poor countries and to lift their standard of living.

The we need more people argument is mad. I understand the arguments in relation to looking after old people. But we need to find a different way.

Population size is a factor but it is not a complete solution. We still have to reduce our energy consumption per person, especially of fossil fuels.

Your “deckchairs on the Titanic” comment makes it sound futile to invent new technologies and change policies. It isn’t. We know for example that insulating lofts saves energy as do numerous other routine initiatives. The UK government is in the process of approving solar panels that can go on balconies and supply free electricity to people’s homes via a standard socket. They will cost around £400 and payback will be approx 4 years.

Unless we curb global heating, the temperatures will continue to rise. Your grandmother will last her natural life. What about her grandchildren and great-grandchildren when the temperatures keep getting hotter?

@Monty36where have I said we need more people?

The west consumes a lot despite our lower birth rates, that’s the point!

It does not happen every year that French vinyards are razed to the ground by wildfires. This complacency is bewildering. I posted the link upthread to the NASA long term study that shows

“NASA's Terra and Aqua satellites detect active wildfires twice each day. Scientists studied this data over a 21-year span and found that extreme wildfires have become more frequent, more intense, and larger. The largest increase in extreme fire behavior was in the temperate conifer forests of the Western U.S. and the boreal forests of northern North America and Russia. Warmer nighttime temperatures are a major contributing factor, allowing fire activity to persist overnight.”

AC will solve most things

The planet is in charge and if Mother Earth sees fit she will rid the planet of the parasites that humans seem to be. You can’t fight nature. It will do what it needs to do. If we don’t change then our time is up.

Yeah right.

We easily fight nature by our technical engineering prowess and modifying the environmental to suit us as we see fit

And when the powers combine, it calls fourth CAPTAIN PLANET!

Are you planning to install AC outside?

Outdoor cooling exists

Are you planning to install outdoor AC across every square inch of the planet?

We can install it where it is needed

It’s both because honestly if some dick head hadn’t started a fire, then there’d be no fire to put out.

This isn’t like an ice age where dickheads can physically cause 2 metres of snow to fall on places that never used to see snow and oh my! The government never bought any snow plows so people are being snowed in and dying,

This isn’t like a volcano erupting or a tsunami or an earth quake.

This is literally dick heads starting fires when it’s dry and hot and there not being the resources to stop the fires in their tracks even though governments have watched the region get hotter and drier and done none of the education, surveillance or disaster prep for forest fires that are easily copied from the many regions that have been used to this sort of climate and deal with it successfully every year.

What are you doing to de-radicalise your kids? I was raised being told nuclear Armageddon was around the corner, it wasn’t a good thing. It is actually very damaging to be raised with a world view of no hope so fuck it lets get high

It’s not always deliberate fires. There is a farm either side of mine. On one side, their muck store spontaneously combusted. On the other, we think a spark from a baker smouldered away for 2 days before the wind changed and hello - field fire.

I’ve seen more combine fires in the last 5 years than my dad has seen in 50 years combined.

I find it scary. Even ten years ago such fires were not as common. Yes they happened but not to this extent. Now there are several big fires in most European countries at the same time. There have been at least 2 big ones in wales, 2 in the north west of England and one in Scotland just in the last few weeks. One of which at least has lasted for weeks.

Big ones in Spain and France as well as many others which aren’t quite getting the same publicity.

Canada has had some massive ones. Looks what happened in LA last year.

if things are so different now to ten years ago what will the world be like in another ten or twenty years time.

The amount of charcoal found in the peat bogs would suggest the 19th century had quite a few. As I understand it, the vast majorly of wildfires in Scotland (and there are lots every year) are manmade. The weather isn’t helping, because of the specific wind/pressure in the area, but it’s just as likely this started as a manmade fire.

I don’t deny climate change is a real thing and is problematic, but if we attribute everything to climate change, even more people will stop listening.

Muck only spontaneously combusts (same with compost piles) if a dickhead stored it improperly.

And a spark from baking is also dickhead territory from negligence imho.

If a fire is started by a dickhead human due to negligence, ignorance or arson, then it’s not caused by climate change.