AIBU to think Andy Burnham might call a general election soon?

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To think Andy Burnham will call a general election before Christmas? Yes it would be a massive roll of the dice but,

Reform - don't have the numbers for a GE and there's all frog faces suspicious money bringing him a lot of heat.

Torys - kemi doesn't have a lot of depth, I feel and she hasn't changed much in the polls. She's good at the dispatch box but let's face it anyone could stand up and insult the other side.

By calling a GE Andy would have his own mandate and break the deadlock of the back benchers.

Not being unreasonable = he needs to call a GE

Your being unreasonable = Robotic Kier and Ratchet Reeves have gone and Andy just needs to get on with it now.

She knows I respect her.

In all honesty I don't know how Milliband will do in America with his net zero and he made clear about America and the war in Iran. Be on my watch list for sure.

My dh thinks Angela is going to get Deputy PM.

Well there's a lot of things you could be referring to here, the increase in social media having been so very broad ranging and obviously going a lot beyond some people on MN during Partygate. I've definitely noticed things like soundbite culture from twitter, bots of all persuasions and Musk's political stances being influential, but I don't think that's what you mean when you say Labour set the scene for GE calls when the PM changes?

Can he take that risk given what's gone on before.

Your last line is the cause of the misunderstanding, it’s too narrow. The post I responded to referred to general hounding a PM out.

Wes Streeting as Deputy would be a massive reward for his loyalty.

Corbyn and McDonnell constantly voted against the Blair government. Funnily enough there was pressure from others to expel them but Blair argued to keep them in. Blair has Alistair Campbell to take the others behind the bikesheds.

The knew Blair was right of centre.

Looking it up Starmer removed the whip more

Keir Starmer has removed the whip from more of his own MPs in his first year than Tony Blair and Gordon Brown did combined.

He was genuinely my first pick. I just sense that he’s going to put his foot in it.

@LuckyHazelFox a massive risk if he took would be jaw dropping. When Wes resigned I thought he had been offered deputy by Burnhams team but now dh has me thinking.

He might be right..

@CagneyLacey yip. Good luck to him popping over to the White House.

Yes that's what I'm saying. Blair had the same Hard Left rump of persistent rebels but kept them inside the party and under tight control where they could be safely ignored. Starmer wasn't able to do that, started off playing hardball then caved and was forced into constant u turns.

Health Sec off the cards for Rayner then.

Yes agree. In the end they got rid of him, I heard a couple of MPs say they didn’t like his authoritarian approach. Same as the public I guess.

Actually the more I think about it. Who always says "I was pregnant as a teenager in a council house" paraphrasing and what does Burnham want to do asap? Build lots of new council houses. Would make sense as Angela in as Deputy.

Let's hope she's learned some lessons if she's given a second shot.

Then use terminology that better matches the point you want to make than 'Labour set the scene'. Because after all, you were talking about something that has been attempted a lot previously, and using a medium that obviously wasn't confined to MN and BTL. If you pick your words better, you won't have to keep goalpost moving.

No I used the language I wanted to which worked with the post I was replying to. It was you who got it wrong.

That can’t work. Too much overlap with Haigh. They’d be fighting within days. Rayner is a problem though as she has leadership ambitions and a strong following.

We can hope. To be fair she's kept her head down and nose clean since the tax thing last September. More musings from me Wes is maybe too young and not enough experience for deputy.

You said that Labour set the scene and the first post in this conversation here is about them calling for GEs and trying to get PMs to resign. It is a matter of fact that they did neither of these things, that both were happening well before the period you're focusing on. That means you were wrong. There's a reason none of the many goalpost moves and vague obfuscations have managed to construct a use of those words that could apply to what actually happened.

She's very ambitious and liked within the party. This is taking ages, come on Andy.